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I'm really disappointed that iTerm2 is adding AI gimmicks :/ Last place I want that crap integrated is in the terminal. Next disappointment is that there's no o

I'm really disappointed that iTerm2 is adding AI gimmicks :/ Last place I want that crap integrated is in the terminal. Next disappointment is that there's no obvious checkbox for disabling it.

MissTake 2y ago
Because it’s not enabled by default? One has to not only enable it but also provide an API key first. I’m failing to see how “off by default” is a worse option here…
- flohofwoe 2y ago
  I haven't found a checkbox or anything similar to clearly enable/disable the feature. There's an empty API key text field and a prepopulated OpenAI URL. It's not clear at all that an empty API key means that no requests will be made.
  - MissTake 2y ago
    Given that OpenAI is not free why would you assume that anything would be sent? If you distrust iTerm 2 over this then why would you assume a checkbox would make a difference?
    - flohofwoe 2y ago
      > Given that OpenAI is not free why would you assume that anything would be sent? AFAIK using OpenAI through the webpage doesn't cost money, why should I assume that using it through the REST API is any different?
      - soraminazuki 2y ago
        Which part of "you will need to provide an OpenAI API key since GPT costs money to use," that you pretend wasn't written in the updater dialog despite being told otherwise more than once, isn't clear to you?
      - MissTake 2y ago
        There is a difference between the 2 OpenAI products. One side allows access via prompts for a fixed monthly fee. The other allows access via an API that you must purchase credits in advance for. If you don’t have an API key then there’s nothing for it to do because it won’t even begin to connect. Again I’m not understanding why you feel a Checkbox is fundamentally better here…
joshstrange 2y ago
Are you joking? Just don’t put in an API key and it will never do anything AI related. People getting all up in arms over an optional feature…
- flohofwoe 2y ago
  The Settings dialog is not at all clear about whether the AI features are enabled or disabled. The only indicator is an empty OpenAI Key text entry field and that also doesn't say that the feature isn't activated unless a key is provided (e.g. I would assume that the OpenAI REST API is free until some quota is exhausted?)
  - joshstrange 2y ago
    The iTerm release notes clearly spell out that you need a key to make this feature work. I guess if you knew nothing about iTerm2, OpenAI, or the myriad of open source tools that use OpenAI and/or are compatible with its API structure (aka, can use something like ollama/LMStudio/etc) you could think that there was some free tier or iTerm2 was footing the bill for the first X requests. Having used iTerm2 for many years and knowing how these types of features work (and knowing OpenAI itself doesn’t have a free tier) it was immediately clear that this was a “bring your own key”-type feature and a “it’s not going to do anything unless you supply a key”.
    - flohofwoe 2y ago
      That's a lot of assumptions about users that are ignorant about OpenAI or anything AI related in general. I used iTerm2 for the last decade or so without any complaints, but seriously, sneaking in features like this into a minor version and without upfront communication is poor form (as would be something less sinister like a Google search engine or StackOverflow integration, stuff like this is entirely unexpected in a terminal application). It's fine though, I will simply go terminal shopping again.
      - joshstrange 2y ago
choas 2y ago
My question is, why doesn't iTerm2 support ollama? It would allow me to run locally, without an internet connection, and keep my data on my computer.
- thiht 2y ago
  It does.

I'm really disappointed that iTerm2 is adding AI gimmicks :/ Last place I want that crap integrated is in the terminal. Next disappointment is that there's no obvious checkbox for disabling it.

MissTake 2y ago

Because it’s not enabled by default? One has to not only enable it but also provide an API key first. I’m failing to see how “off by default” is a worse option here…

flohofwoe 2y ago
I haven't found a checkbox or anything similar to clearly enable/disable the feature. There's an empty API key text field and a prepopulated OpenAI URL. It's not clear at all that an empty API key means that no requests will be made.
- MissTake 2y ago
  Given that OpenAI is not free why would you assume that anything would be sent? If you distrust iTerm 2 over this then why would you assume a checkbox would make a difference?
  - flohofwoe 2y ago
    > Given that OpenAI is not free why would you assume that anything would be sent? AFAIK using OpenAI through the webpage doesn't cost money, why should I assume that using it through the REST API is any different?
    - soraminazuki 2y ago
      Which part of "you will need to provide an OpenAI API key since GPT costs money to use," that you pretend wasn't written in the updater dialog despite being told otherwise more than once, isn't clear to you?
    - MissTake 2y ago
      There is a difference between the 2 OpenAI products. One side allows access via prompts for a fixed monthly fee. The other allows access via an API that you must purchase credits in advance for. If you don’t have an API key then there’s nothing for it to do because it won’t even begin to connect. Again I’m not understanding why you feel a Checkbox is fundamentally better here…

joshstrange 2y ago

Are you joking? Just don’t put in an API key and it will never do anything AI related. People getting all up in arms over an optional feature…

flohofwoe 2y ago
The Settings dialog is not at all clear about whether the AI features are enabled or disabled. The only indicator is an empty OpenAI Key text entry field and that also doesn't say that the feature isn't activated unless a key is provided (e.g. I would assume that the OpenAI REST API is free until some quota is exhausted?)
- joshstrange 2y ago
  The iTerm release notes clearly spell out that you need a key to make this feature work. I guess if you knew nothing about iTerm2, OpenAI, or the myriad of open source tools that use OpenAI and/or are compatible with its API structure (aka, can use something like ollama/LMStudio/etc) you could think that there was some free tier or iTerm2 was footing the bill for the first X requests. Having used iTerm2 for many years and knowing how these types of features work (and knowing OpenAI itself doesn’t have a free tier) it was immediately clear that this was a “bring your own key”-type feature and a “it’s not going to do anything unless you supply a key”.
  - flohofwoe 2y ago
    That's a lot of assumptions about users that are ignorant about OpenAI or anything AI related in general. I used iTerm2 for the last decade or so without any complaints, but seriously, sneaking in features like this into a minor version and without upfront communication is poor form (as would be something less sinister like a Google search engine or StackOverflow integration, stuff like this is entirely unexpected in a terminal application). It's fine though, I will simply go terminal shopping again.
    - joshstrange 2y ago

choas 2y ago

My question is, why doesn't iTerm2 support ollama? It would allow me to run locally, without an internet connection, and keep my data on my computer.

thiht 2y ago
It does.