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I am not a Microsoft-hater per sé, but the amount of times I had to repeatedly tell them No on a question they had asked me before is staggering. E.g. I know I

by atoav 2y ago

I am not a Microsoft-hater per sé, but the amount of times I had to repeatedly tell them No on a question they had asked me before is staggering. E.g. I know I don't want to use Edge, yet it feels like one of those nightmares where you fight a thing that won't die. It keeps coming back and this is just one of those things. Since I now played Fallout 4 without crashes on my Ubuntu system, I can't help but wonder if my future will be completely Windows-free at some point.

BLKNSLVR 2y ago
Microsoft's AI chatbot will recall everything you do. Except if it's a pattern that doesn't match what's perceived to be in the incredibly short term interests of Microsoft's shareholders.
- robbomacrae 2y ago
  Gmail pushes chrome as a default browser repeatedly too. No way to turn that off. The system knows you don't want it (having already said no 15 times) its just hoping the 16th time you will accidentally click yes. I suspect as search evolves AI will no doubt be better at sneaking in less accurate but more lucrative results.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    At least Chrome doesn't come with unwanted shopping bars that bug you about coupons.
  - weberer 2y ago
    >No way to turn that off At least you can hide those with a uBlock filter. You can't do shit if its baked into your operating system. (Aside from deleting the whole thing and installing an OS that respects your freedoms)
    - robbomacrae 2y ago
      Thank you for this tip!
Pesthuf 2y ago
Yes/No became Yes / Please ask me later, and thank you very much (in a semi-hidden button in a totally unexpected position that doesn’t even look clickable) And a few months later, it’ll toggle to “yes” automatically, due to a “bug”.
flohofwoe 2y ago
> repeatedly tell them No on a question And you can't even tell it "No", it's typically "Maybe later" or "Not now". When will "modern UX experts" understand that "No means No".
- saurik 2y ago
  We need to start shaming the actual UX experts and engineers who build these systems, rather than letting them hide behind the ranks of the giant evil megacorps they empower.
  - badsectoracula 2y ago
    You should also shame the developers who implement what said UX experts design, the managers who force the developers to implement said designs, the product owners who ask the UX designers to come up with ideas that end up with those designs, the finance gremlins who create these incentives for the owners of these ideas, etc and at the end of this recursive floodfill blame algorithm you'll probably end up covering most of the giant evil megacorp in question. Honestly i don't think you can put blame on any single individual - including the CEO - and have things change, this isn't a single player (or even single corporation, considering Microsoft isn't the only one doing these shady things) game.
    - flohofwoe 2y ago
      > Honestly i don't think you can put blame on any single individual... IMHO this is actually the biggest problem with modern application development, no accountability at all and everybody hiding behind somebody else instead of admitting failure, so all one can hope for is a poor compromise that's the average of many opinions (each single one of them even probably good, but not when mixed with random other opinions). Funny enough, it's the same problem, everybody weaseling around a clear "No" ;)
    - exe34 2y ago
      that's the whole point of the ceo, to have somebody to blame.
k8sToGo 2y ago
Like you, I also wonder the same. Main reason for me to use Windows was the (almost) it just works. But it is starting to become annoying enough that the tinkering on Linux is the lesser problem of the two.
jk563 2y ago
For what it's worth; since the Steam Deck came out the vast majority of my gaming library has become playable on my Linux desktop. The Windows partition was removed shortly after I got a Deck and realised Valve have done such an incredible job with Proton to make games playable on Linux. With my library of games, at least, I've not had any major issues that linger in the memory.
- tracker1 2y ago
  I switched my personal desktop to Linux a couple years ago from an MS "feature" of ads in the start menu search on insiders. My MIL has been using Pop for about 4 months now without issue after a phishing attempt. My SO after seeing me watching a video on this feature is now ready to switch her laptop and desktop over after checking that the two games she plays regularly are supported.
pjmlp 2y ago
And for some folks like myself that actually like Windows, and were even into the WinRT (the COM evolution not marketing term) bandwagon, the kind of decisions that leaves me shaking my head how management keeps torpedoing engineering.
- atoav 2y ago
  Don't get me wrong. I have Windows 11 and I like most of what they did there, especially with powertoys and similar initiatives. BUT. And that is a big "but": the first thing that greeted me on the joy of my new computer was a screen trying to gaslight me into creating a microsoft account. There was no visible option to just use a local account and I had to google a bit in order to invoke a terminal in order to get a local account. I like windows for many things, including it's crazy good backward compatibility, especially when it comes to hardware. But shit like this makes it unreasonable to put a lot of trust into them for the long term. And before we have to discuss the specifics here: this is just one example out of many where they don't treat users at eye-level, but like marks that you need to trick into liking you. How about setting some positive incentives by showing me three really cool things that I couldn't do before if I use one of those microsoft accounts? Who knows, I might even make one. But Microsoft seems to have forgotten how to use anything but bullying, monopolism and gaslighting to convince people to use their product.
justinclift 2y ago
> I can't help but wonder if my future will be completely Windows-free at some point. Probably yes. :)
qwery 2y ago
This is what free software is all about (to me). > E.g. I know I don't want to use Edge They know too. The fact that they "ask"[0] you what you want (sometimes) and won't accept your answer is disrespectful, to say the least. They know what you want and they are constantly and actively working against you, to manipulate or con you into changing your answer. And that's when they don't just force something upon you outright. Of course, they never intended to accept your choice. The software is acting on behalf of the vendor, not the user. Other software that does this is often called malware. [0] Calling what Microsoft does "asking" is being extremely generous...
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johnnyanmac 2y ago
Unity/Unreal engine is still subpar on Linux, Adobe suite doesn't exist, and IDE's... well, I pay for Jetbrains and it's great. But for other creatives, I don't see the jump happening anytime soon. But sure, assuming minimal Wine wonkiness (nor pray not, some interference on WINE deveoplment by MSFT), I'm sure many gamers can transition to Linux and keep their library intact.
- tracker1 2y ago
  I'm guessing that Adobe may rely more on server/web hosted tooling in the future for photos, maybe not video anytime soon. I do wish there were better competing options, or at least closer options. Game support via Proton has been relatively good though.

by atoav 2y ago

BLKNSLVR 2y ago

Microsoft's AI chatbot will recall everything you do. Except if it's a pattern that doesn't match what's perceived to be in the incredibly short term interests of Microsoft's shareholders.

robbomacrae 2y ago
Gmail pushes chrome as a default browser repeatedly too. No way to turn that off. The system knows you don't want it (having already said no 15 times) its just hoping the 16th time you will accidentally click yes. I suspect as search evolves AI will no doubt be better at sneaking in less accurate but more lucrative results.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  At least Chrome doesn't come with unwanted shopping bars that bug you about coupons.
- weberer 2y ago
  >No way to turn that off At least you can hide those with a uBlock filter. You can't do shit if its baked into your operating system. (Aside from deleting the whole thing and installing an OS that respects your freedoms)
  - robbomacrae 2y ago
    Thank you for this tip!

Pesthuf 2y ago

Yes/No became Yes / Please ask me later, and thank you very much (in a semi-hidden button in a totally unexpected position that doesn’t even look clickable) And a few months later, it’ll toggle to “yes” automatically, due to a “bug”.

flohofwoe 2y ago

> repeatedly tell them No on a question And you can't even tell it "No", it's typically "Maybe later" or "Not now". When will "modern UX experts" understand that "No means No".

saurik 2y ago
We need to start shaming the actual UX experts and engineers who build these systems, rather than letting them hide behind the ranks of the giant evil megacorps they empower.
- badsectoracula 2y ago
  You should also shame the developers who implement what said UX experts design, the managers who force the developers to implement said designs, the product owners who ask the UX designers to come up with ideas that end up with those designs, the finance gremlins who create these incentives for the owners of these ideas, etc and at the end of this recursive floodfill blame algorithm you'll probably end up covering most of the giant evil megacorp in question. Honestly i don't think you can put blame on any single individual - including the CEO - and have things change, this isn't a single player (or even single corporation, considering Microsoft isn't the only one doing these shady things) game.
  - flohofwoe 2y ago
    > Honestly i don't think you can put blame on any single individual... IMHO this is actually the biggest problem with modern application development, no accountability at all and everybody hiding behind somebody else instead of admitting failure, so all one can hope for is a poor compromise that's the average of many opinions (each single one of them even probably good, but not when mixed with random other opinions). Funny enough, it's the same problem, everybody weaseling around a clear "No" ;)
  - exe34 2y ago
    that's the whole point of the ceo, to have somebody to blame.

k8sToGo 2y ago

Like you, I also wonder the same. Main reason for me to use Windows was the (almost) it just works. But it is starting to become annoying enough that the tinkering on Linux is the lesser problem of the two.

jk563 2y ago

For what it's worth; since the Steam Deck came out the vast majority of my gaming library has become playable on my Linux desktop. The Windows partition was removed shortly after I got a Deck and realised Valve have done such an incredible job with Proton to make games playable on Linux. With my library of games, at least, I've not had any major issues that linger in the memory.

tracker1 2y ago
I switched my personal desktop to Linux a couple years ago from an MS "feature" of ads in the start menu search on insiders. My MIL has been using Pop for about 4 months now without issue after a phishing attempt. My SO after seeing me watching a video on this feature is now ready to switch her laptop and desktop over after checking that the two games she plays regularly are supported.

pjmlp 2y ago

And for some folks like myself that actually like Windows, and were even into the WinRT (the COM evolution not marketing term) bandwagon, the kind of decisions that leaves me shaking my head how management keeps torpedoing engineering.

atoav 2y ago
Don't get me wrong. I have Windows 11 and I like most of what they did there, especially with powertoys and similar initiatives. BUT. And that is a big "but": the first thing that greeted me on the joy of my new computer was a screen trying to gaslight me into creating a microsoft account. There was no visible option to just use a local account and I had to google a bit in order to invoke a terminal in order to get a local account. I like windows for many things, including it's crazy good backward compatibility, especially when it comes to hardware. But shit like this makes it unreasonable to put a lot of trust into them for the long term. And before we have to discuss the specifics here: this is just one example out of many where they don't treat users at eye-level, but like marks that you need to trick into liking you. How about setting some positive incentives by showing me three really cool things that I couldn't do before if I use one of those microsoft accounts? Who knows, I might even make one. But Microsoft seems to have forgotten how to use anything but bullying, monopolism and gaslighting to convince people to use their product.

justinclift 2y ago

> I can't help but wonder if my future will be completely Windows-free at some point. Probably yes. :)

qwery 2y ago

This is what free software is all about (to me). > E.g. I know I don't want to use Edge They know too. The fact that they "ask"[0] you what you want (sometimes) and won't accept your answer is disrespectful, to say the least. They know what you want and they are constantly and actively working against you, to manipulate or con you into changing your answer. And that's when they don't just force something upon you outright. Of course, they never intended to accept your choice. The software is acting on behalf of the vendor, not the user. Other software that does this is often called malware. [0] Calling what Microsoft does "asking" is being extremely generous...

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johnnyanmac 2y ago

Unity/Unreal engine is still subpar on Linux, Adobe suite doesn't exist, and IDE's... well, I pay for Jetbrains and it's great. But for other creatives, I don't see the jump happening anytime soon. But sure, assuming minimal Wine wonkiness (nor pray not, some interference on WINE deveoplment by MSFT), I'm sure many gamers can transition to Linux and keep their library intact.

tracker1 2y ago
I'm guessing that Adobe may rely more on server/web hosted tooling in the future for photos, maybe not video anytime soon. I do wish there were better competing options, or at least closer options. Game support via Proton has been relatively good though.