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> The Israeli government did not and does not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. The citizens move there of

by 8372049 2y ago

> The Israeli government did not and does not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies. The citizens move there of their own accord That is the same as a transfer under IHL.

dotancohen 2y ago
If you have something official that I could read, I would appreciate it. I have been researching this for quite some time. But a blog post, but official declaration or regulation. Thank you.
- defrost 2y ago
  There's the most recent Report of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights https://www.un.org/unispal/document/israeli-settlements-in-the-occupied-palestinian-territory-including-east-jerusalem-and-in-the-occupied-syrian-golan/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/israeli-settlements-in-t... Legal Framework, 11: According to the Central Bureau of Statistics, construction began for approximately 1,280 housing units in the first half of 2023 in Area C. All of these Israeli settlements are illegal under international law, because they amount to the transfer by Israel of its population into an occupied territory. They discuss settlers moving of their own accord and then the later "legalizing" of such moves by the State of Israel.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    For one thing, that is only documentation of Israeli building, not a statement of what law is being broken. For another, that document specifically mentions that the new buildings are in Area C, which has been recinded by the PA (for purpose of discussion, the details are far more complicated than that).
    - defrost 2y ago
      I'm not making any case here. You asked for "something official", "[not] a blog post", "an official declaration". I took up the challenge and found for you an official document of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights declaring " All of these Israeli settlements are illegal under international law". > not a statement of what law is being broken. From the linked document: International human rights law and international humanitarian law apply concurrently in the Occupied Palestinian Territory of Gaza, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the occupied Syrian Golan. This includes the obligations contained in the international human rights treaties to which Israel is a State party,[4] as well as the Regulations respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land of 1907 (Hague Regulations) and the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (Fourth Geneva Convention), which are binding upon Israel as the occupying Power under international humanitarian law as stated in an above comment by another party. I have no stance on the matter. You're welcome.
      - dotancohen 2y ago
        You'll notice that those documents just repeat "Illegal under international law" and mention some laws that are to be applied in the area. There is no mention of any specific law being broken. That is the problem. What specific law is being broken?
        skyyler 2y ago
        >International human rights law and international humanitarian law apply concurrently in the Occupied Palestinian Territory of Gaza, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the occupied Syrian Golan. This includes the obligations contained in the international human rights treaties to which Israel is a State party,[4] as well as the Regulations respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land of 1907 (!_Hague Regulations_!) and the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (!_Fourth Geneva Convention_!), which are binding upon Israel as the occupying Power under international humanitarian law I added emphasis to the quote in the comment you're replying to since you missed it the first time.
        2y ago
boffinAudio 2y ago
"Since 1967, government-funded settlement projects in the West Bank are implemented by the "Settlement Division" of the World Zionist Organization. Though formally a non-governmental organization, it is funded by the Israeli government and leases lands from the Civil Administration to settle in the West Bank."

dotancohen 2y ago

If you have something official that I could read, I would appreciate it. I have been researching this for quite some time. But a blog post, but official declaration or regulation. Thank you.

defrost 2y ago
There's the most recent Report of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights https://www.un.org/unispal/document/israeli-settlements-in-the-occupied-palestinian-territory-including-east-jerusalem-and-in-the-occupied-syrian-golan/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/israeli-settlements-in-t... Legal Framework, 11: According to the Central Bureau of Statistics, construction began for approximately 1,280 housing units in the first half of 2023 in Area C. All of these Israeli settlements are illegal under international law, because they amount to the transfer by Israel of its population into an occupied territory. They discuss settlers moving of their own accord and then the later "legalizing" of such moves by the State of Israel.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  For one thing, that is only documentation of Israeli building, not a statement of what law is being broken. For another, that document specifically mentions that the new buildings are in Area C, which has been recinded by the PA (for purpose of discussion, the details are far more complicated than that).
  - defrost 2y ago
    I'm not making any case here. You asked for "something official", "[not] a blog post", "an official declaration". I took up the challenge and found for you an official document of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights declaring " All of these Israeli settlements are illegal under international law". > not a statement of what law is being broken. From the linked document: International human rights law and international humanitarian law apply concurrently in the Occupied Palestinian Territory of Gaza, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the occupied Syrian Golan. This includes the obligations contained in the international human rights treaties to which Israel is a State party,[4] as well as the Regulations respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land of 1907 (Hague Regulations) and the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (Fourth Geneva Convention), which are binding upon Israel as the occupying Power under international humanitarian law as stated in an above comment by another party. I have no stance on the matter. You're welcome.
    - dotancohen 2y ago
      You'll notice that those documents just repeat "Illegal under international law" and mention some laws that are to be applied in the area. There is no mention of any specific law being broken. That is the problem. What specific law is being broken?
      - skyyler 2y ago
        >International human rights law and international humanitarian law apply concurrently in the Occupied Palestinian Territory of Gaza, the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the occupied Syrian Golan. This includes the obligations contained in the international human rights treaties to which Israel is a State party,[4] as well as the Regulations respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land of 1907 (!_Hague Regulations_!) and the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War (!_Fourth Geneva Convention_!), which are binding upon Israel as the occupying Power under international humanitarian law I added emphasis to the quote in the comment you're replying to since you missed it the first time.
        2y ago

boffinAudio 2y ago

"Since 1967, government-funded settlement projects in the West Bank are implemented by the "Settlement Division" of the World Zionist Organization. Though formally a non-governmental organization, it is funded by the Israeli government and leases lands from the Civil Administration to settle in the West Bank."