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You can talk and it makes no difference, I doubt that is as relevant as knowing your children are safe.

by Morg 14y ago

adventureful 14y ago
I grew up in an area in Maryland with nearly zero crime (and it was a modestly poor area). I went to one of the best public schools in Maryland, and again, it was in what is considered poor Appalachia. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. The only crime where I live now, is driving under the influence. There's 1 murder per year per 100,000 people in the entire county. You obviously have extremely little first hand experience with America. Look up the crime stats for Boise, Idaho some time on city data. America is an extraordinarily diverse nation, the most diverse nation in world history to be exact, and it has every sort of living style and environment you could want to choose from. Don't like the crime in Chicago, move to a safer city at your leisure. Seattle is beautiful, and so is Austin TX. Don't like Florida? Move to Virginia. Don't like Vermont, move to NYCity. Don't like NYC? Move to San Francisco. Don't like urban, America is massive and extremely low population density, so move rural. And on and on.
- Morg 14y ago
  I've been in very safe places in America alright, and it's more or less the same here in Europe, just less crime - What I mean is if we're going to talk about countries, we take country-wide data and not cherrypick.
- drucken 14y ago
  That's like saying there's virtually no crime in rural parts of China or Outer Mongolia or New Zealand sheep farming communities... Also, your urban/population density points would apply to China. Neither are relevant to the topic and nor is this whole article HN-worthy tbh, though China's retaliatory actions here are interesting. :)
- adventureful 14y ago
  Drucken & Morg: You'll note that in no way have I said China doesn't have exactly the same, safe rural areas, or even safe urban areas. What I said is: America does have those things. My response was to point out that the notion of America being nothing but a giant crime wave or an extraordinarily dangerous place is pure myth. The reality is: America has just about everything, pick what kind of life you want accordingly, and pursue it. And Morg: the points about Europe would be interesting, except most of Europe allows exceptionally little immigration. So how can outsiders even consider benefiting even if it were the safest place on earth crime wise? Look up the immigration rates for: Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Norway, etc. I'm sure you already know this however. Then look up America's extreme immigration over the past 100 years. How do you think 20% of our population got to be hispanic? We have a long history of allowing a relatively high amount of immigration (particularly compared to the rest of the world). It's how we become the world's melting pot. It's not easy to get into America, but it's radically easier than becoming a citizen of most European nations just based on the extremely limited numbers they allow in.
  - Morg 14y ago
    That would be because we don't just allow them in> when they get in they get social protection, not just the right to pay taxes. Racism imho is one of the minor issues though, I'm far more concerned by the police state aspects of the US than the cultural details (such as everyone is fat woohooo).
    - adventureful 14y ago
      That's a snarky comment, but you're dodging: what I'm talking about is legal immigration. America has a much higher rate of legal immigration than pretty much all of Europe. Canada is one of the few first world nations with a higher immigration rate. When you legally immigrate to America, you're treated as a citizen. We've had a lot of illegal immigration over the last 20 years as well, but the odds strongly favor that those illegal immigrants will be naturalized into citizenship over time, it's very likely the Democrats will achieve that outcome. And if you want to talk about shadow immigration, or people that fall through the cracks, Europe has plenty of that. You must know that. Take a look at the African immigration in France and Spain over the last 20 years, and then look at how many are under the radar. Europe also gets a massive amount of abuse from immigrants that leech off the social systems and never work and contribute properly, which is helping to make the looming EU bankruptcy even worse, which is amping up the rapidly rising xenophobia currently going on Europe, such that the Nazi Party is rising in Greece, and the extreme right is gaining in many nations. The whoohoo on your fat comment certainly betrays to the flippant nature of it. 26% to 27% of people in the UK are obese, in America it's about 33%. Australia and New Zealand is around 24% to 25%. Chile is 25%. Ireland is 23% to 24%. Canada is 25% obese as well. Mexico is about the same as America on obesity. Clearly the problem is greatest in America, but it's hardly alone in the obesity problem. If you've ever read the book, The China Study, you obviously understand why these countries have such obesity and higher cancer rates that, for example, China has traditionally avoided. However, now China is gradually switching to a killer western diet, particularly among the affluent, and they're seeing skyrocketing obesity and heart disease rates. You're concerned about the police state aspects of America? So am I, I live here, and it's very disturbing. China is a police state almost by definition, but that doesn't seem to concern you at all. And the police state is rising all over the place, take a look at some of the police state actions and laws being passed in Britain where you practically can't step out your front door without showing up on a cctv.

You can talk and it makes no difference, I doubt that is as relevant as knowing your children are safe.

by Morg 14y ago

You can talk and it makes no difference, I doubt that is as relevant as knowing your children are safe.

I grew up in an area in Maryland with nearly zero crime (and it was a modestly poor area). I went to one of the best public schools in Maryland, and again, it was in what is considered poor Appalachia. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. The only crime where I live now, is driving under the influence. There's 1 murder per year per 100,000 people in the entire county. You obviously have extremely little first hand experience with America. Look up the crime stats for Boise, Idaho some time on city data. America is an extraordinarily diverse nation, the most diverse nation in world history to be exact, and it has every sort of living style and environment you could want to choose from. Don't like the crime in Chicago, move to a safer city at your leisure. Seattle is beautiful, and so is Austin TX. Don't like Florida? Move to Virginia. Don't like Vermont, move to NYCity. Don't like NYC? Move to San Francisco. Don't like urban, America is massive and extremely low population density, so move rural. And on and on.

Morg 14y ago
I've been in very safe places in America alright, and it's more or less the same here in Europe, just less crime - What I mean is if we're going to talk about countries, we take country-wide data and not cherrypick.
drucken 14y ago
That's like saying there's virtually no crime in rural parts of China or Outer Mongolia or New Zealand sheep farming communities... Also, your urban/population density points would apply to China. Neither are relevant to the topic and nor is this whole article HN-worthy tbh, though China's retaliatory actions here are interesting. :)
adventureful 14y ago
Drucken & Morg: You'll note that in no way have I said China doesn't have exactly the same, safe rural areas, or even safe urban areas. What I said is: America does have those things. My response was to point out that the notion of America being nothing but a giant crime wave or an extraordinarily dangerous place is pure myth. The reality is: America has just about everything, pick what kind of life you want accordingly, and pursue it. And Morg: the points about Europe would be interesting, except most of Europe allows exceptionally little immigration. So how can outsiders even consider benefiting even if it were the safest place on earth crime wise? Look up the immigration rates for: Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Norway, etc. I'm sure you already know this however. Then look up America's extreme immigration over the past 100 years. How do you think 20% of our population got to be hispanic? We have a long history of allowing a relatively high amount of immigration (particularly compared to the rest of the world). It's how we become the world's melting pot. It's not easy to get into America, but it's radically easier than becoming a citizen of most European nations just based on the extremely limited numbers they allow in.
- Morg 14y ago
  That would be because we don't just allow them in> when they get in they get social protection, not just the right to pay taxes. Racism imho is one of the minor issues though, I'm far more concerned by the police state aspects of the US than the cultural details (such as everyone is fat woohooo).
  - adventureful 14y ago
    That's a snarky comment, but you're dodging: what I'm talking about is legal immigration. America has a much higher rate of legal immigration than pretty much all of Europe. Canada is one of the few first world nations with a higher immigration rate. When you legally immigrate to America, you're treated as a citizen. We've had a lot of illegal immigration over the last 20 years as well, but the odds strongly favor that those illegal immigrants will be naturalized into citizenship over time, it's very likely the Democrats will achieve that outcome. And if you want to talk about shadow immigration, or people that fall through the cracks, Europe has plenty of that. You must know that. Take a look at the African immigration in France and Spain over the last 20 years, and then look at how many are under the radar. Europe also gets a massive amount of abuse from immigrants that leech off the social systems and never work and contribute properly, which is helping to make the looming EU bankruptcy even worse, which is amping up the rapidly rising xenophobia currently going on Europe, such that the Nazi Party is rising in Greece, and the extreme right is gaining in many nations. The whoohoo on your fat comment certainly betrays to the flippant nature of it. 26% to 27% of people in the UK are obese, in America it's about 33%. Australia and New Zealand is around 24% to 25%. Chile is 25%. Ireland is 23% to 24%. Canada is 25% obese as well. Mexico is about the same as America on obesity. Clearly the problem is greatest in America, but it's hardly alone in the obesity problem. If you've ever read the book, The China Study, you obviously understand why these countries have such obesity and higher cancer rates that, for example, China has traditionally avoided. However, now China is gradually switching to a killer western diet, particularly among the affluent, and they're seeing skyrocketing obesity and heart disease rates. You're concerned about the police state aspects of America? So am I, I live here, and it's very disturbing. China is a police state almost by definition, but that doesn't seem to concern you at all. And the police state is rising all over the place, take a look at some of the police state actions and laws being passed in Britain where you practically can't step out your front door without showing up on a cctv.