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> up to the Rafah crossing How long was that supposed ramp up? Maybe a couple weeks out of 7 months.

YZF 2y ago
There are details here: https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/ https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/ EDIT: I can't find a concise summary but latest update: "422 aid trucks were inspected and transferred to the Gaza Strip, yesterday, (May.19). These trucks entered from the various aid routes we developed: Ashdod port, Erez crossing, Judea and Samaria, and JLOTS (maritime route)." Supposedly the UN said Gaza needs a minimum of 100 trucks a day. https://www.newarab.com/news/un-puts-gaza-humanitarian-aid-need-100-trucks-day https://www.newarab.com/news/un-puts-gaza-humanitarian-aid-n... EDIT2: It's worth mentioning that since Israel took control of the Gaza side of the Rafah crossing Egypt is refusing to let aid in through that crossing.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  I live about eight kilometers from Gaza, the aid trucks are on all the highways at pretty much capacity, and it's been like this for quite a while. I really don't see how much more aid could get in without building more infrastructure, and in fact there is a new port in the strip being built (maybe done already). It should be noted in context that even bringing in aid is dangerous. The population attacks the aid drivers for two reasons (one, to get the aid, and two, they consider those drivers "traitors" and have been attacking them for long before the current conflict). And there is not insignificant risk to the Gazans as well, there was an incident a few months ago where an aid truck ran people over trying to stop it and some people were killed in a very gruesome fashion.
  - pyuser583 2y ago
    Wait they’re attacking the aid drivers as traitors!?!
    - dotancohen 2y ago
      Yes, because those aid drivers collaborate with the Israelis. This was going on long before the current war, when they were driving products and not aid.
  - downWidOutaFite 2y ago
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    - YZF 2y ago
      I think you guys are referring to two different accounts of the same incident. Hamas claims Israel gunned down Gazans (not sure how we got to hundreds, I don't think even Hamas claimed that) and Israel claims the Palestinians mobbed the trucks and got run over as the trucks were trying to get away. The Hamas started calling this the "Flour Massacre" since it has a certain ring to it. Given where the information is coming from I suspect it's not true. Like anything else, we don't have independent information. The IDF did investigate this as well and admitted to shooting at people approaching their security vehicles (that were there to secure the aid delivery).
      - downWidOutaFite 2y ago
        Part of why it's so hard to communicate about these issues is that we all inhabit a world of propaganda that we have to work hard to see through. But in this case Hamas didn't claim anything. The people that were on the ground describe a deliberate ambush by IDF soldiers: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/flour-massacre-how-gaza-food-killings-unfolded-and-israels-story-changed https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/flour-massacre-how-g...
  - edanm 2y ago
    > and in fact there is a new port in the strip being built (maybe done already). I think yesterday or the day before the first aid came in via the port, actually.
- Gibbon1 2y ago
  If you assume rice is 600 calories per kg. And an average need of 2000 cal/day-person. 2,000,000 people in Gaza, and a truck can carry 35,000 kg. Need about 2X10^6 X 2000 = 4X10^9 calories as day. At 600 cal/kg you need then 6.67 X 10^6 kg of rice per day. Truckloads = 6.67X10^6 kg / 35,000 kg/truck = 190 truckloads of rice per day. Most likely conclusion is Salafists and their supporters lie about everything.
  - mowmow 2y ago
    …but rice is 1300kcal/kg, so you need 88 trucks/day. Are you the salafist you speak of?
    - Gibbon1 2y ago
      I fucked up, rice is about 600 cal/lb freedom. > Are you the salafist you speak of? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement
  - Thiez 2y ago
    So they'll be eating this rice raw, then? Raw uncooked rice with a nice cup of seawater to quench their thirst.

YZF 2y ago

There are details here: https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/ https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/home/ EDIT: I can't find a concise summary but latest update: "422 aid trucks were inspected and transferred to the Gaza Strip, yesterday, (May.19). These trucks entered from the various aid routes we developed: Ashdod port, Erez crossing, Judea and Samaria, and JLOTS (maritime route)." Supposedly the UN said Gaza needs a minimum of 100 trucks a day. https://www.newarab.com/news/un-puts-gaza-humanitarian-aid-need-100-trucks-day https://www.newarab.com/news/un-puts-gaza-humanitarian-aid-n... EDIT2: It's worth mentioning that since Israel took control of the Gaza side of the Rafah crossing Egypt is refusing to let aid in through that crossing.

dotancohen 2y ago
I live about eight kilometers from Gaza, the aid trucks are on all the highways at pretty much capacity, and it's been like this for quite a while. I really don't see how much more aid could get in without building more infrastructure, and in fact there is a new port in the strip being built (maybe done already). It should be noted in context that even bringing in aid is dangerous. The population attacks the aid drivers for two reasons (one, to get the aid, and two, they consider those drivers "traitors" and have been attacking them for long before the current conflict). And there is not insignificant risk to the Gazans as well, there was an incident a few months ago where an aid truck ran people over trying to stop it and some people were killed in a very gruesome fashion.
- pyuser583 2y ago
  Wait they’re attacking the aid drivers as traitors!?!
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    Yes, because those aid drivers collaborate with the Israelis. This was going on long before the current war, when they were driving products and not aid.
- downWidOutaFite 2y ago
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  - YZF 2y ago
    I think you guys are referring to two different accounts of the same incident. Hamas claims Israel gunned down Gazans (not sure how we got to hundreds, I don't think even Hamas claimed that) and Israel claims the Palestinians mobbed the trucks and got run over as the trucks were trying to get away. The Hamas started calling this the "Flour Massacre" since it has a certain ring to it. Given where the information is coming from I suspect it's not true. Like anything else, we don't have independent information. The IDF did investigate this as well and admitted to shooting at people approaching their security vehicles (that were there to secure the aid delivery).
    - downWidOutaFite 2y ago
      Part of why it's so hard to communicate about these issues is that we all inhabit a world of propaganda that we have to work hard to see through. But in this case Hamas didn't claim anything. The people that were on the ground describe a deliberate ambush by IDF soldiers: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/flour-massacre-how-gaza-food-killings-unfolded-and-israels-story-changed https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/1/flour-massacre-how-g...
- edanm 2y ago
  > and in fact there is a new port in the strip being built (maybe done already). I think yesterday or the day before the first aid came in via the port, actually.
Gibbon1 2y ago
If you assume rice is 600 calories per kg. And an average need of 2000 cal/day-person. 2,000,000 people in Gaza, and a truck can carry 35,000 kg. Need about 2X10^6 X 2000 = 4X10^9 calories as day. At 600 cal/kg you need then 6.67 X 10^6 kg of rice per day. Truckloads = 6.67X10^6 kg / 35,000 kg/truck = 190 truckloads of rice per day. Most likely conclusion is Salafists and their supporters lie about everything.
- mowmow 2y ago
  …but rice is 1300kcal/kg, so you need 88 trucks/day. Are you the salafist you speak of?
  - Gibbon1 2y ago
    I fucked up, rice is about 600 cal/lb freedom. > Are you the salafist you speak of? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi_movement
- Thiez 2y ago
  So they'll be eating this rice raw, then? Raw uncooked rice with a nice cup of seawater to quench their thirst.