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With all due respect, you are blinded by the kool aid my dear. In the US the government controls the entire internet, as well as every information every compan

by Morg 14y ago

With all due respect, you are blinded by the kool aid my dear. In the US the government controls the entire internet, as well as every information every company holds, including facebook, twitter, google and apple - as well as Intel and Microsoft. The PRC and the US both have "legitimate" ways to detain any citizen or non-citizen at any time, for any reason, and often do. I would like to insist that there is NO difference on that specific point since the patriot act. SOPA and PIPA aren't govt related, they're big content's attempt at having it's own control channel over the internet. By the way, you forget the positive aspects of China, like those emphasized in the article: In a communist country, there's real security. My grandparents were in USSR in the 70's, and many like them said they had absolutely NO FEAR AT ALL letting their kids play outside. That's right dream on. You'll never get that in the US, unless you have your own security.

adventureful 14y ago
Really simple way to answer your false declarations: Then how come Hacker News exists and I can say what I want here? Try that in China some time =)
- Morg 14y ago
  You can talk and it makes no difference, I doubt that is as relevant as knowing your children are safe.
  - adventureful 14y ago
    I grew up in an area in Maryland with nearly zero crime (and it was a modestly poor area). I went to one of the best public schools in Maryland, and again, it was in what is considered poor Appalachia. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. The only crime where I live now, is driving under the influence. There's 1 murder per year per 100,000 people in the entire county. You obviously have extremely little first hand experience with America. Look up the crime stats for Boise, Idaho some time on city data. America is an extraordinarily diverse nation, the most diverse nation in world history to be exact, and it has every sort of living style and environment you could want to choose from. Don't like the crime in Chicago, move to a safer city at your leisure. Seattle is beautiful, and so is Austin TX. Don't like Florida? Move to Virginia. Don't like Vermont, move to NYCity. Don't like NYC? Move to San Francisco. Don't like urban, America is massive and extremely low population density, so move rural. And on and on.
    - Morg 14y ago
      I've been in very safe places in America alright, and it's more or less the same here in Europe, just less crime - What I mean is if we're going to talk about countries, we take country-wide data and not cherrypick.
    - drucken 14y ago
      That's like saying there's virtually no crime in rural parts of China or Outer Mongolia or New Zealand sheep farming communities... Also, your urban/population density points would apply to China. Neither are relevant to the topic and nor is this whole article HN-worthy tbh, though China's retaliatory actions here are interesting. :)
    - adventureful 14y ago
      Drucken & Morg: You'll note that in no way have I said China doesn't have exactly the same, safe rural areas, or even safe urban areas. What I said is: America does have those things. My response was to point out that the notion of America being nothing but a giant crime wave or an extraordinarily dangerous place is pure myth. The reality is: America has just about everything, pick what kind of life you want accordingly, and pursue it. And Morg: the points about Europe would be interesting, except most of Europe allows exceptionally little immigration. So how can outsiders even consider benefiting even if it were the safest place on earth crime wise? Look up the immigration rates for: Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Norway, etc. I'm sure you already know this however. Then look up America's extreme immigration over the past 100 years. How do you think 20% of our population got to be hispanic? We have a long history of allowing a relatively high amount of immigration (particularly compared to the rest of the world). It's how we become the world's melting pot. It's not easy to get into America, but it's radically easier than becoming a citizen of most European nations just based on the extremely limited numbers they allow in.
      - Morg 14y ago
        That would be because we don't just allow them in> when they get in they get social protection, not just the right to pay taxes. Racism imho is one of the minor issues though, I'm far more concerned by the police state aspects of the US than the cultural details (such as everyone is fat woohooo).

by Morg 14y ago

adventureful 14y ago

Really simple way to answer your false declarations: Then how come Hacker News exists and I can say what I want here? Try that in China some time =)

Morg 14y ago
You can talk and it makes no difference, I doubt that is as relevant as knowing your children are safe.
- adventureful 14y ago
  I grew up in an area in Maryland with nearly zero crime (and it was a modestly poor area). I went to one of the best public schools in Maryland, and again, it was in what is considered poor Appalachia. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. The only crime where I live now, is driving under the influence. There's 1 murder per year per 100,000 people in the entire county. You obviously have extremely little first hand experience with America. Look up the crime stats for Boise, Idaho some time on city data. America is an extraordinarily diverse nation, the most diverse nation in world history to be exact, and it has every sort of living style and environment you could want to choose from. Don't like the crime in Chicago, move to a safer city at your leisure. Seattle is beautiful, and so is Austin TX. Don't like Florida? Move to Virginia. Don't like Vermont, move to NYCity. Don't like NYC? Move to San Francisco. Don't like urban, America is massive and extremely low population density, so move rural. And on and on.
  - Morg 14y ago
    I've been in very safe places in America alright, and it's more or less the same here in Europe, just less crime - What I mean is if we're going to talk about countries, we take country-wide data and not cherrypick.
  - drucken 14y ago
    That's like saying there's virtually no crime in rural parts of China or Outer Mongolia or New Zealand sheep farming communities... Also, your urban/population density points would apply to China. Neither are relevant to the topic and nor is this whole article HN-worthy tbh, though China's retaliatory actions here are interesting. :)
  - adventureful 14y ago
    Drucken & Morg: You'll note that in no way have I said China doesn't have exactly the same, safe rural areas, or even safe urban areas. What I said is: America does have those things. My response was to point out that the notion of America being nothing but a giant crime wave or an extraordinarily dangerous place is pure myth. The reality is: America has just about everything, pick what kind of life you want accordingly, and pursue it. And Morg: the points about Europe would be interesting, except most of Europe allows exceptionally little immigration. So how can outsiders even consider benefiting even if it were the safest place on earth crime wise? Look up the immigration rates for: Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Norway, etc. I'm sure you already know this however. Then look up America's extreme immigration over the past 100 years. How do you think 20% of our population got to be hispanic? We have a long history of allowing a relatively high amount of immigration (particularly compared to the rest of the world). It's how we become the world's melting pot. It's not easy to get into America, but it's radically easier than becoming a citizen of most European nations just based on the extremely limited numbers they allow in.
    - Morg 14y ago
      That would be because we don't just allow them in> when they get in they get social protection, not just the right to pay taxes. Racism imho is one of the minor issues though, I'm far more concerned by the police state aspects of the US than the cultural details (such as everyone is fat woohooo).