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China is incredibly larger for same culture/language population numbers, yet it doesn't have half the issues. While this is all propaganda and the article clea

by Morg 14y ago

China is incredibly larger for same culture/language population numbers, yet it doesn't have half the issues. While this is all propaganda and the article clearly avoids some details, the truth is the situation is really bad and Chinese people have no reason to look up to the US, as much as US people have no reason to look down on China. Right now, as an European, I'd rather live in China than in the US.

adventureful 14y ago
China doesn't have half the issues? That a lie, and then some. There's a very good reason Chen Guangcheng desperately wanted to escape China. China has every bit the racism and nationalism problems that America has. Ask China what they think of the Japanese some time. China is surely very willing to leave the peaceful, successful nation of Taiwan alone, right? It's not like they have any intention of brutally, viciously conquering the island when it's convenient, invading and murdering its people all in the name of reclaiming land that acted as a safe haven for Chinese fleeing from the genocide of Mao (Mao having killed tens of millions of his own people). China is massively belligerent and violent. Should we free Tibet? Oh right, Tibet doesn't really exist any more because they gradually cleansed the entire country of its people and culture. China has radically worse inequality, 3/4 of a billion people living on $1 to $2 dollars per day, half a billion people without proper access to sanitary drinking water or indoor plumbing. China still has half of the poorest 10% of people on the entire planet, meanwhile they're printing billionaires along the eastern coast. China has no systems comparable to medicare, medicaid, or social security. As faulty as they may be in the US, China doesn't even have a real social safety net at all. Chinese workers have absolutely zero rights, and there are no rights to unionize. China has almost zero property rights at all. There is no right to democratic representation in China. There is zero freedom of speech in China. China is even more violent, with mass executions in large stadiums just to clear out crime numbers, regardless of whether those executed are in fact the guilty. 5,000 people were slaughtered execution style in 2009 alone, roughly 50,000 people per decade are killed in execution fashion by the Chinese Government. Texas by comparison executes about 25 people per year, and that gets endless press. China routinely locks down entire villages. Over 200 riots were reported last year alone. They shut off all access to the external world, and proceed to haul off the trouble makers to gulag camps for political prisoners. The propaganda that China doesn't have half the problems of the US is complete bunk.
- Morg 14y ago
  Taiwan and Hong Kong and Tibet have been claimed by China years ago, get over it. Not like Western countries didn't invade Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya to put governments that favor them instead. The japanese and the chinese is an entirely different story that would take books to cover, it isn't quite relevant as I don't remember the mexicans brutally invading the US of A. Furthermore medicare and that kind of crap is rapidly becoming better than what's available for free in the US, do remember China comes from much lower and will most likely improve a lot still, while the US is clearly in decline. So as much as you're correct in pointing out that China has its own issues, they're not the same issues, and some people will rightfully choose China over the USA. As a modestly rich European, I think my family would be much safer in China than in the US, and overall the Europe is still much better than both.
  - adventureful 14y ago
    I'm not the one claiming the west doesn't have its guilty points. I completely agree with your point about Iraq. You on the other hand say: just get over it, about China's violent aggressions. You ignore and excuse what China does, but not what America does. Saying those countries have been claimed by China is outrageous to put it lightly, and then saying to get over it is even more obscene. Tell the Iraqis to just "get over" the last ten years, see how that goes. You're only safer in China if you never say anything. And that's not even true anyway, because America is so diverse there are countless areas to live, of all variations, that are completely safe. The problem is, you're ignorant of America.
    - Morg 14y ago
      Totally, China is a communist country and the motto is get over it. America's motto is not "rape countries for oil" - it's not "censor the internet" and it's not "IP infringement is more important than violence". The thing is, both countries are really bad, and I don't believe anyone american or chinese can simply say that one country is better than the other. Yes there are awesome places everywhere, including where I live or in the USA or in China for that matter.
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by Morg 14y ago

adventureful 14y ago

China doesn't have half the issues? That a lie, and then some. There's a very good reason Chen Guangcheng desperately wanted to escape China. China has every bit the racism and nationalism problems that America has. Ask China what they think of the Japanese some time. China is surely very willing to leave the peaceful, successful nation of Taiwan alone, right? It's not like they have any intention of brutally, viciously conquering the island when it's convenient, invading and murdering its people all in the name of reclaiming land that acted as a safe haven for Chinese fleeing from the genocide of Mao (Mao having killed tens of millions of his own people). China is massively belligerent and violent. Should we free Tibet? Oh right, Tibet doesn't really exist any more because they gradually cleansed the entire country of its people and culture. China has radically worse inequality, 3/4 of a billion people living on $1 to $2 dollars per day, half a billion people without proper access to sanitary drinking water or indoor plumbing. China still has half of the poorest 10% of people on the entire planet, meanwhile they're printing billionaires along the eastern coast. China has no systems comparable to medicare, medicaid, or social security. As faulty as they may be in the US, China doesn't even have a real social safety net at all. Chinese workers have absolutely zero rights, and there are no rights to unionize. China has almost zero property rights at all. There is no right to democratic representation in China. There is zero freedom of speech in China. China is even more violent, with mass executions in large stadiums just to clear out crime numbers, regardless of whether those executed are in fact the guilty. 5,000 people were slaughtered execution style in 2009 alone, roughly 50,000 people per decade are killed in execution fashion by the Chinese Government. Texas by comparison executes about 25 people per year, and that gets endless press. China routinely locks down entire villages. Over 200 riots were reported last year alone. They shut off all access to the external world, and proceed to haul off the trouble makers to gulag camps for political prisoners. The propaganda that China doesn't have half the problems of the US is complete bunk.

Morg 14y ago
Taiwan and Hong Kong and Tibet have been claimed by China years ago, get over it. Not like Western countries didn't invade Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya to put governments that favor them instead. The japanese and the chinese is an entirely different story that would take books to cover, it isn't quite relevant as I don't remember the mexicans brutally invading the US of A. Furthermore medicare and that kind of crap is rapidly becoming better than what's available for free in the US, do remember China comes from much lower and will most likely improve a lot still, while the US is clearly in decline. So as much as you're correct in pointing out that China has its own issues, they're not the same issues, and some people will rightfully choose China over the USA. As a modestly rich European, I think my family would be much safer in China than in the US, and overall the Europe is still much better than both.
- adventureful 14y ago
  I'm not the one claiming the west doesn't have its guilty points. I completely agree with your point about Iraq. You on the other hand say: just get over it, about China's violent aggressions. You ignore and excuse what China does, but not what America does. Saying those countries have been claimed by China is outrageous to put it lightly, and then saying to get over it is even more obscene. Tell the Iraqis to just "get over" the last ten years, see how that goes. You're only safer in China if you never say anything. And that's not even true anyway, because America is so diverse there are countless areas to live, of all variations, that are completely safe. The problem is, you're ignorant of America.
  - Morg 14y ago
    Totally, China is a communist country and the motto is get over it. America's motto is not "rape countries for oil" - it's not "censor the internet" and it's not "IP infringement is more important than violence". The thing is, both countries are really bad, and I don't believe anyone american or chinese can simply say that one country is better than the other. Yes there are awesome places everywhere, including where I live or in the USA or in China for that matter.
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