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Its not just the US. A western democracy has never been issued a warrant like this. It's not that hard to find crimes being committed by western leaders (is no

by shmatt 2y ago

Its not just the US. A western democracy has never been issued a warrant like this. It's not that hard to find crimes being committed by western leaders (is no one listening to this seasons Serial podcast? Guantanamo is still open). If this goes through every western leader past and present can have a warrant out for them at any minute, it really doesn't take much to find 1 suspected violation and a need to arrest and stand trial to see if they are guilty.

ronjobber 2y ago
At that point the court would effectively lose it's legitimacy, as it would be unable to enforce/execute those warrants. Not saying that that is a) good or b) isn't where we are heading... it mirrors the trajectory of the UN and it's certainly in line with trends in economic fragmentation.
- mhuffman 2y ago
  This is the real crux of any "Rule of Law" body. Can you enforce it? With the US attached, nearly any law could be enforced globally (by force if necessary) if it got out of hand. But what do you do if the target is the US? Or now China? or even protected by them?
  - _3u10 2y ago
    Build an economy that outcompetes them, and is technologically more advanced and then build, carrier strike groups conventional forces, and nuclear weapons.
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  - itsoktocry 2y ago
    >But what do you do if the target is the US? Or now China? or even protected by them? You do nothing. Which is why all of hand-wringing around this ICC decision is for pointless. There is no such thing as "international law" in any practical sense.
- eunos 2y ago
  Cynically from Russian/Chinese point of view that is much preferable. The "Free World" consistently drums out propaganda for universal "Rule-Based Order". Should the ICC fail to move forward with this, Rus/CN can cynically claim that "Rule-Based Order" is no more than fraud. Good luck forcing China to accept South China Sea Arbitration (which they didn't even participate in the 1st place)
potatoicecoffee 2y ago
sounds good
_blk 2y ago
...but that's not going to happen, is it? Kinda shows how politically loaded the topic is.
ignoramous 2y ago
> A western democracy... Curious: What's "Western" about this particular democracy?

by shmatt 2y ago

ronjobber 2y ago

At that point the court would effectively lose it's legitimacy, as it would be unable to enforce/execute those warrants. Not saying that that is a) good or b) isn't where we are heading... it mirrors the trajectory of the UN and it's certainly in line with trends in economic fragmentation.

mhuffman 2y ago
This is the real crux of any "Rule of Law" body. Can you enforce it? With the US attached, nearly any law could be enforced globally (by force if necessary) if it got out of hand. But what do you do if the target is the US? Or now China? or even protected by them?
- _3u10 2y ago
  Build an economy that outcompetes them, and is technologically more advanced and then build, carrier strike groups conventional forces, and nuclear weapons.
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- itsoktocry 2y ago
  >But what do you do if the target is the US? Or now China? or even protected by them? You do nothing. Which is why all of hand-wringing around this ICC decision is for pointless. There is no such thing as "international law" in any practical sense.
eunos 2y ago
Cynically from Russian/Chinese point of view that is much preferable. The "Free World" consistently drums out propaganda for universal "Rule-Based Order". Should the ICC fail to move forward with this, Rus/CN can cynically claim that "Rule-Based Order" is no more than fraud. Good luck forcing China to accept South China Sea Arbitration (which they didn't even participate in the 1st place)

potatoicecoffee 2y ago

sounds good

_blk 2y ago

...but that's not going to happen, is it? Kinda shows how politically loaded the topic is.

ignoramous 2y ago

> A western democracy... Curious: What's "Western" about this particular democracy?