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Very obvious bias against OpenAI in the comments here. Possible motives: a) there's a visceral human reaction against anyone extraordinarily successful and powe
by z7 2y ago
Very obvious bias against OpenAI in the comments here. Possible motives: a) there's a visceral human reaction against anyone extraordinarily successful and powerful (Nietzsche wrote about this). b) resentment for OpenAI's advancements in code generation and its possible impact on the job market. I don't think much of the outrage here is motivated by altruism, it's probably more about siding with whoever opposes your perceived enemy.
- Ar-Curunir 2y agoOr maybe the prospect of theft and unpermissioned copying of an extremely personal quality (one's voice) is (correctly) being called out? People aren't as selfish/petty as you're making them out.
- 8note 2y agoThere's any number of people with equivalent voices that Scarlet has stolen the voices of by selling it to movies, and all of those other people who sound the same deserve compensation from her for it
- eschaton 2y agoMost people aren’t that selfish or petty. But there are some people who are—and by an unfortunate quirk of human nature, they tend to believe everyone else is just like them.
- z7 2y agoSo your response is ... "No I'm not, you are." Well. This reaction invites further psychological interpretations, lol.
- eschaton 2y agoUh, what? This is a pretty well-researched phenomenon: A very high percentage of people who engage in pathological behaviors that take advantage of other people believe that “everyone does it” and rely on that as justification. Penn & Teller did a pithy bit on the topic.
- z7 2y agoCan you provide the evidence indicating that her voice was stolen? Maybe also an audio analysis of the vocal characteristics involved and the degree of similarity? And wouldn't it be prudent to investigate these matters before making such accusations?
- maxbond 2y agoI propose the following razor: Never attribute to jealousy that which can be explained by a difference of perspective. Jealousy can explain any criticism of anybody. That makes it an epistemic hazard; you can always fall back to it, and you can develop a habit of doing so. And then you have deafened yourself. Any substantive criticisms will be lost on you. As will any opportunity to learn from those you disagree with. Your ideas will be hot house flowers, comfortable and safe in their controlled environment, but unable to contend in the wild. Aspire to weeds.
- z7 2y agoThat would be tautological, as 'difference of perspective' is a restatement of the phenomenon at a higher level of abstraction. Someone who is resentful will likely have a different perspective than they would otherwise have. Psychological motives are real and don't disappear by simply assuming a variant of a problem-solving heuristic. Notice also I didn't use the word 'jealousy.' I do think that speculations about psychological motives should be made only after careful consideration and generally remain unprovable. However, the uncertainty of psychological motives shouldn't prevent us from ever addressing them.
- maxbond 2y agoYou can use whatever high minded references to philosophy and psychology you please, but from what I've read from you in this thread - you're missing the point. You aren't understanding the criticism, and you're addressing the weakest form of the argument. I'm suggesting you aspire to address the strongest form, whether the weakest is present or not. If you choose to do nothing with that information, that's up to you.