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Wow this is a huge breach of trust for a company that claims it has strong privacy protections. Also from a different article (https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/

Wow this is a huge breach of trust for a company that claims it has strong privacy protections. Also from a different article (https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24161152/apple-ios-17-photo-bug https://www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24161152/apple-ios-17-pho...): > Another post claimed that old photos appeared on an iPad that was sold to another person. It is SO weird for Apple to fix the bug in a patch but say nothing about the fact that photos deleted years earlier reappeared for a time. They absolutely must come clean here.

Aloisius 2y ago
Em. The patch notes say that: > This update provides important bug fixes and addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
  Right but where were they resurrected from? A database (local or otherwise) that secretly keeps deleted photos forever? And if so why is it keeping them forever instead of actually deleting them?
  - kube-system 2y ago
    Pressing 'delete' in Photos, by default, moves it to the Recently Deleted album, and uses a record in a database to schedule deletion for later.
  - Aloisius 2y ago
    I imagine the database corruption prevented the permanent delete from the Recently Deleted folder that's supposed to happen 30 days after you mark something as deleted. If it behaves anything like the Mac Photos app, then it's using hard links for things like importing photos which can lead to bugs like this if the corruption led to them losing track of one of the hard links, since you have to delete all of them to actually delete the file.
    - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
      That’s a reasonable explanation. Still, they need to be a lot more transparent about what happened and confirm explicitly that those files are deleted now and that in general, files are permanently deleted. I feel like all too often, Apple just stays silent on issues and avoids any semblance of customer support, and that needs to change.
  - dialup_sounds 2y ago
    Most likely the "secret database" is just the filesystem. Keeping things forever is the default behavior of filesystems. A photo library application is just a database pointing to files in the file system. In some cases photos were deleted from the library database without being deleted from the filesystem. That's the bug. The consequences are that: 1) the photo appears to be deleted to the user, who goes by what the application tells them 2) the photo appears to be deleted to the application, who goes by what the database says, and 3) the photo miraculously reappears when the filesystem is re-indexed by the application.
akr4s1a 2y ago
Heavy doubt on the sold to another person story. This sounds like a file was orphaned from its database entry and re-indexed. If you wipe your device like it was supposed to before you sell on your device, the data would be gone and it wouldn't have a remote source like iCloud to sync from either.

Aloisius 2y ago

Em. The patch notes say that: > This update provides important bug fixes and addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
Right but where were they resurrected from? A database (local or otherwise) that secretly keeps deleted photos forever? And if so why is it keeping them forever instead of actually deleting them?
- kube-system 2y ago
  Pressing 'delete' in Photos, by default, moves it to the Recently Deleted album, and uses a record in a database to schedule deletion for later.
- Aloisius 2y ago
  I imagine the database corruption prevented the permanent delete from the Recently Deleted folder that's supposed to happen 30 days after you mark something as deleted. If it behaves anything like the Mac Photos app, then it's using hard links for things like importing photos which can lead to bugs like this if the corruption led to them losing track of one of the hard links, since you have to delete all of them to actually delete the file.
  - blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
    That’s a reasonable explanation. Still, they need to be a lot more transparent about what happened and confirm explicitly that those files are deleted now and that in general, files are permanently deleted. I feel like all too often, Apple just stays silent on issues and avoids any semblance of customer support, and that needs to change.
- dialup_sounds 2y ago
  Most likely the "secret database" is just the filesystem. Keeping things forever is the default behavior of filesystems. A photo library application is just a database pointing to files in the file system. In some cases photos were deleted from the library database without being deleted from the filesystem. That's the bug. The consequences are that: 1) the photo appears to be deleted to the user, who goes by what the application tells them 2) the photo appears to be deleted to the application, who goes by what the database says, and 3) the photo miraculously reappears when the filesystem is re-indexed by the application.

akr4s1a 2y ago

Heavy doubt on the sold to another person story. This sounds like a file was orphaned from its database entry and re-indexed. If you wipe your device like it was supposed to before you sell on your device, the data would be gone and it wouldn't have a remote source like iCloud to sync from either.