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I just used FSD yesterday. It works pretty damn well.

by bufferoverflow 2y ago

adamnemecek 2y ago
The marketing still over promises.
- spiderice 2y ago
  Show me a company that doesn’t over promise on their marketing.
  - Retric 2y ago
    Most of them don’t, go to a local pub some time. Some people misunderstand that companies use puffery like “The Best” specifically because it doesn’t mean anything. But you will rarely find someone make material statements that aren’t true, if an advert mentions the EPA rated gas’s mileage it’s going to be close. Musk on the other hand has this odd issue of trying to overstate his accomplishments such as calling himself a founder of Tesla for some bizarre reason. I don’t know if imposter syndrome or what, but it’s been very detrimental for stockholders when he had Tesla rescue Solar City rather than letting it fail etc. Making material statements about self driving was just dumb from a legal perspective compared to puffery, but hey it sold some cars and he’s not in prison so ehh it worked out.
    - bufferoverflow 2y ago
      Your argument has nothing to do with what we're discussing, you're just piling unrelated talking points. That's a classic red herring fallacy.
      - Retric 2y ago
        How Musk approaches marketing is directly relevant here in terms of Tesla and SpaceX. He also materially over promised Starlink’s bandwidth for zero gain and meaningful legal risk. It’s a consistent pattern and worth remembering for both customers and investors. In 2020: “The speeds are still not as fast as what SpaceX originally claimed for the constellation, but they are slightly faster than what early user testing has shown.” https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/3/21419841/spacex-starlink-internet-satellite-constellation-download-speeds-space-lasers https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/3/21419841/spacex-starlink-i... and in 2024 it’s still not there even if it’s a useful product anyway.
    - slrainka 2y ago
      Not the founder? maybe read Walter Isaacson's book. Stock graph shows Tesla stock had no material impact from the Solar City purchase, 90% of it's value coming after 2020. Today, Tesla energy and solar dominates the industry to the point where every installer offers Tesla Solar including the largest US installer Sunrun.
      - Retric 2y ago
        > Not the founder? maybe read Walter Isaacson's book. The company was founded in July 1 2003, Musk didn’t even hear about the company until 2004. That’s a rather large gap to call someone a founder. But hey it’s an arbitrary distinction so feel free to disagree. > Stock graph shows Tesla had no material impact from the Solar City Purchase From the announcement of the purchase to its completion Tesla’s stock dropped ~20%. Buying or creating a solar company in house made sense, over paying to bail out a relatives solar company he was involved with didn’t. Solar City was in 1.5 Billion dollars in debt, their business model was failing, and they had just laid off 20% of their workforce so yea Tesla shareholders got hosed.
        WalterBright 2y ago
        Tesla was nothing but two guys, a name, an office, and an idea when Musk invested $6.5 million into it. They had no technology, no car, no money, no nothing. That makes Musk a founder.
        Retric 2y ago
        No, that makes Musk one of two series A investors. > two guys, a name, an office, and an idea Add in the paperwork they filled out and we call those things companies. The entire point of incubators like Ycombinator is getting companies to a point where someone would make a significant investment, Martin Eberhard, Marc Tarpenning and Ian Wright who joined a few months later pulled that first major hurdle off on their own. If Musk had walked away they would’ve just kept looking because it was a very compelling investment as made clear by finding funding within a month of looking and the 1 million put up from a 3rd party.
  - PartiallyTyped 2y ago
    Apple generally underpromises when it comes to perf per watt and battery usage, and then blows everything out of the water. Regardless, that isn’t an argument worth making. Whataboutisms are silly.
    - spiderice 2y ago
      Holding all companies to a similar standard isn’t whataboutism. In my experience people shout “whataboutisms” when they’re trying to justify their own bias.
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
  Really? Show me which marketing actually overpromises and doesn't tell you that it's a beta system, where you have actually sit, pay attention to the road and take over if needed.
  - sidibe 2y ago
    How about the main feature on tesla.com/autopilot, a (faked) video still there from many years ago that starts with the text that the driver is there only for legal reasons?
    - bufferoverflow 2y ago
      But it tells you the driver is required. And it's actually accurate. The driver is legally required, and it drives itself. Nobody said it drives perfectly.
delecti 2y ago
But it's called "Full Self Driving", while not even being level 3.
- bufferoverflow 2y ago
  And Apple is called Apple, but they make no apples.
  - electriclove 2y ago
    Tim Cook is such a fraud! But Steve Jobs is like Jesus ;)
- iknowstuff 2y ago
  It drives on every street instead of just freeways, hence full self driving. And its amazing

I just used FSD yesterday. It works pretty damn well.

adamnemecek 2y ago

The marketing still over promises.

spiderice 2y ago
Show me a company that doesn’t over promise on their marketing.
- Retric 2y ago
  Most of them don’t, go to a local pub some time. Some people misunderstand that companies use puffery like “The Best” specifically because it doesn’t mean anything. But you will rarely find someone make material statements that aren’t true, if an advert mentions the EPA rated gas’s mileage it’s going to be close. Musk on the other hand has this odd issue of trying to overstate his accomplishments such as calling himself a founder of Tesla for some bizarre reason. I don’t know if imposter syndrome or what, but it’s been very detrimental for stockholders when he had Tesla rescue Solar City rather than letting it fail etc. Making material statements about self driving was just dumb from a legal perspective compared to puffery, but hey it sold some cars and he’s not in prison so ehh it worked out.
  - bufferoverflow 2y ago
    Your argument has nothing to do with what we're discussing, you're just piling unrelated talking points. That's a classic red herring fallacy.
    - Retric 2y ago
      How Musk approaches marketing is directly relevant here in terms of Tesla and SpaceX. He also materially over promised Starlink’s bandwidth for zero gain and meaningful legal risk. It’s a consistent pattern and worth remembering for both customers and investors. In 2020: “The speeds are still not as fast as what SpaceX originally claimed for the constellation, but they are slightly faster than what early user testing has shown.” https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/3/21419841/spacex-starlink-internet-satellite-constellation-download-speeds-space-lasers https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/3/21419841/spacex-starlink-i... and in 2024 it’s still not there even if it’s a useful product anyway.
  - slrainka 2y ago
    Not the founder? maybe read Walter Isaacson's book. Stock graph shows Tesla stock had no material impact from the Solar City purchase, 90% of it's value coming after 2020. Today, Tesla energy and solar dominates the industry to the point where every installer offers Tesla Solar including the largest US installer Sunrun.
    - Retric 2y ago
      > Not the founder? maybe read Walter Isaacson's book. The company was founded in July 1 2003, Musk didn’t even hear about the company until 2004. That’s a rather large gap to call someone a founder. But hey it’s an arbitrary distinction so feel free to disagree. > Stock graph shows Tesla had no material impact from the Solar City Purchase From the announcement of the purchase to its completion Tesla’s stock dropped ~20%. Buying or creating a solar company in house made sense, over paying to bail out a relatives solar company he was involved with didn’t. Solar City was in 1.5 Billion dollars in debt, their business model was failing, and they had just laid off 20% of their workforce so yea Tesla shareholders got hosed.
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        Tesla was nothing but two guys, a name, an office, and an idea when Musk invested $6.5 million into it. They had no technology, no car, no money, no nothing. That makes Musk a founder.
        Retric 2y ago
        No, that makes Musk one of two series A investors. > two guys, a name, an office, and an idea Add in the paperwork they filled out and we call those things companies. The entire point of incubators like Ycombinator is getting companies to a point where someone would make a significant investment, Martin Eberhard, Marc Tarpenning and Ian Wright who joined a few months later pulled that first major hurdle off on their own. If Musk had walked away they would’ve just kept looking because it was a very compelling investment as made clear by finding funding within a month of looking and the 1 million put up from a 3rd party.
- PartiallyTyped 2y ago
  Apple generally underpromises when it comes to perf per watt and battery usage, and then blows everything out of the water. Regardless, that isn’t an argument worth making. Whataboutisms are silly.
  - spiderice 2y ago
    Holding all companies to a similar standard isn’t whataboutism. In my experience people shout “whataboutisms” when they’re trying to justify their own bias.
bufferoverflow 2y ago
Really? Show me which marketing actually overpromises and doesn't tell you that it's a beta system, where you have actually sit, pay attention to the road and take over if needed.
- sidibe 2y ago
  How about the main feature on tesla.com/autopilot, a (faked) video still there from many years ago that starts with the text that the driver is there only for legal reasons?
  - bufferoverflow 2y ago
    But it tells you the driver is required. And it's actually accurate. The driver is legally required, and it drives itself. Nobody said it drives perfectly.

delecti 2y ago

But it's called "Full Self Driving", while not even being level 3.

bufferoverflow 2y ago
And Apple is called Apple, but they make no apples.
- electriclove 2y ago
  Tim Cook is such a fraud! But Steve Jobs is like Jesus ;)
iknowstuff 2y ago
It drives on every street instead of just freeways, hence full self driving. And its amazing