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Why do I feel like Sam's 'her' tweet pretty much gave Scarlett Johansson's legal counsel all the ammo they needed lol.

by alsodumb 2y ago

CharlesW 2y ago
Also, it shows that today’s blog post was fiction.
- crimsoneer 2y ago
  The sky voice they took down has existed for more than a year. It's different to the new demo that kicked this all off.
  - CharlesW 2y ago
    The voice didn’t change, just the ability of the model to “output laughter, singing, or express emotion”.
elevatedastalt 2y ago
It probably made things worse, but the fact that they reached out to her to use her voice and she explicitly refused would be sufficient ammo I feel. (Not a lawyer of course). Of course, Twitter continues to bring people with big egos to their own downfall.
- not2b 2y ago
  Not to mention that it matches up pretty much exactly with the Bette Midler and Tom Waits cases, where courts ruled against companies using soundalikes after the person they really wanted turned them down. Doesn't matter if they hired a soundalike actress rather than clone her voice, it still violates her rights.
  - cortesoft 2y ago
    I am guessing this is only because they first tried to hire the originals before hiring sound-alikes... otherwise, would it mean that if your voice sounds similar to someone else, you can't do voice work?
    - recursive 2y ago
      > would it mean that if your voice sounds similar to someone else, you can't do voice work? Maybe only when the director's instructions are "I want you to sound like XYZ".
      - wilg 2y ago
        Of course, surely you can do this if you're playing a character, such as impersonating Trump or Obama or an actor on SNL?
        not2b 2y ago
        Yes, parody's fine when it's clearly parody. But if you try to pretend that Trump or Obama (rather than an impersonator) is endorsing a product, you're in trouble.
        wilg 2y ago
        but openai has only ever said that the chatgpt voice has nothing to do with scojo
        cortesoft 2y ago
        What you say after the fact doesn't really matter...
      - smugma 2y ago
        Exception: Parody is covered under the first amendment.
- joegibbs 2y ago
  Definitely. GPT4o has a voice that sounds like Scarlett Johannson? They'd probably get away with it, I'm sure there are a lot of people that sound like her. Tweeting a reference to a movie she was in - a bit more murky because it's starting to sound like they are deliberately cloning her voice. Asking to use her voice, then using a soundalike, then referencing the movie? 100%, no doubt.
akr4s1a 2y ago
So was asking her to reconsider 2 days before the demo, how blatant can you get
- OrangeMusic 2y ago
  They really wanted her voice yes. Does that prove anything?
xyst 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_ipsa_loquitur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_ipsa_loquitur
dclowd9901 2y ago
They’ll make the case that the abilities of the device is what he was referring to, but I think more the fact they were pushing her so hard for her involvement will actually be the damning aspect for them with that line of defense.

Why do I feel like Sam's 'her' tweet pretty much gave Scarlett Johansson's legal counsel all the ammo they needed lol.

CharlesW 2y ago

Also, it shows that today’s blog post was fiction.

crimsoneer 2y ago
The sky voice they took down has existed for more than a year. It's different to the new demo that kicked this all off.
- CharlesW 2y ago
  The voice didn’t change, just the ability of the model to “output laughter, singing, or express emotion”.

elevatedastalt 2y ago

It probably made things worse, but the fact that they reached out to her to use her voice and she explicitly refused would be sufficient ammo I feel. (Not a lawyer of course). Of course, Twitter continues to bring people with big egos to their own downfall.

not2b 2y ago
Not to mention that it matches up pretty much exactly with the Bette Midler and Tom Waits cases, where courts ruled against companies using soundalikes after the person they really wanted turned them down. Doesn't matter if they hired a soundalike actress rather than clone her voice, it still violates her rights.
- cortesoft 2y ago
  I am guessing this is only because they first tried to hire the originals before hiring sound-alikes... otherwise, would it mean that if your voice sounds similar to someone else, you can't do voice work?
  - recursive 2y ago
    > would it mean that if your voice sounds similar to someone else, you can't do voice work? Maybe only when the director's instructions are "I want you to sound like XYZ".
    - wilg 2y ago
      Of course, surely you can do this if you're playing a character, such as impersonating Trump or Obama or an actor on SNL?
      - not2b 2y ago
        Yes, parody's fine when it's clearly parody. But if you try to pretend that Trump or Obama (rather than an impersonator) is endorsing a product, you're in trouble.
        wilg 2y ago
        but openai has only ever said that the chatgpt voice has nothing to do with scojo
        cortesoft 2y ago
        What you say after the fact doesn't really matter...
    - smugma 2y ago
      Exception: Parody is covered under the first amendment.
joegibbs 2y ago
Definitely. GPT4o has a voice that sounds like Scarlett Johannson? They'd probably get away with it, I'm sure there are a lot of people that sound like her. Tweeting a reference to a movie she was in - a bit more murky because it's starting to sound like they are deliberately cloning her voice. Asking to use her voice, then using a soundalike, then referencing the movie? 100%, no doubt.

akr4s1a 2y ago

So was asking her to reconsider 2 days before the demo, how blatant can you get

OrangeMusic 2y ago
They really wanted her voice yes. Does that prove anything?

xyst 2y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_ipsa_loquitur https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Res_ipsa_loquitur

dclowd9901 2y ago

They’ll make the case that the abilities of the device is what he was referring to, but I think more the fact they were pushing her so hard for her involvement will actually be the damning aspect for them with that line of defense.