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The vast majority of colleges accept students just fine without any particular extracurricular activities. So this isn’t about collage, just the artificial hoo
by Retric 2y ago
The vast majority of colleges accept students just fine without any particular extracurricular activities.
So this isn’t about collage, just the artificial hoops that some colleges use to maintain their elite status. Elite schools offer a few real advantages, but far less than most people assume.
- diob 2y agoThe advantage is the network / badge that comes with it. That and you tend to have great funding / access to more opportunities. So, I'd argue there's a great advantage. But it's more accessible to those who already have advantages, since they look for these "early life" markers which many normal folk have little to no control over.
- csa 2y ago> The advantage is the network / badge that comes with it. Vastly overrated except for a very small number of people who didn’t already have a network and do the right kind of hustle to develop it. It happens, but it’s rare. Most of the folks at these schools already have a decent or good network. The badge rarely makes a difference for most people.
- steveBK123 2y agoElite schools still offer far greater advantages than they should, let's not fool ourselves. A lot of hiring companies use elite college as a screen to run simple recruiting pipelines. GOOG was notorious for only recruiting from a handful of elite tech schools with very high GPA requirements to filter out resumes. In finance just about every single person I have met in a risk taking role came out of an Ivy program. If you went to top engineering school the best you could do is work for the Ivy guy writing algos for him. If you didn't go to a top engineering school, you probably got recruited for desktop support. I'm sure every industry has a version of this, given the 2 I am familiar with most both do.
- whimsicalism 2y ago> In finance just about every single person I have met in a risk taking role came out of an Ivy program Front-office finance has very strong incentives to recruit from Ivy and other elite institutions beyond mere competence. I don't think it should be assumed to be the same effect at play at Google, etc
- steveBK123 2y agoI'm not assuming it is, that is what it was about a decade ago when I was graduating. Question for the Mag7/FAANG employees out there - how many state school engineering programs do you send recruiters to job fairs at? How many state school new grad hires do you make? And I mean broadly speaking state school, not the handful of super selective elite ones. I mean Uconn, Penn State, etc.
- whimsicalism 2y agoI don't see any problem with companies targeting their recruitment efforts.
- Retric 2y agoWorks great when you only need a few people and the effort to filter people is significant on a small team. But, it gets really expensive as a company grows both because you need to pay more and because it forces you to accept worse candidates. Still worth it if you’re in a high reputation industry like investment banking, but not if you’re just looking for talented doctors.
- whimsicalism 2y agoIf you're running out of candidates, expand to IIT and China's C9 league before going to UConn or PSU. The problem with doctor cost has much more to do with cartel behavior than Ivy league preference.
- giardini 2y agoRetric sez "So this isn’t about collage, just the artificial hoops that some colleges use to " Whew! I am truly relieved to hear this "isn't about collage[sic]...".