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More recent than the 18th century. Black people didn't get the right to vote in all of the US until the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It would be completely reason
by School-Cotton 2y ago
More recent than the 18th century. Black people didn't get the right to vote in all of the US until the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
It would be completely reasonable to say that the US (or at least the southern states) was not a democracy in the modern sense of the word until that happened.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> would be completely reasonable to say that the US (or at least the southern states) was not a democracy in the modern sense of the word until that happened That’s redefining democracy to the extent it excludes Athens. The term you may be looking for is a liberal democracy, or more precisely universal suffrage.
- School-Cotton 2y agoIf a country were run like ancient Athens today, nobody would consider it a democracy. We are talking about "democracy" in its modern meaning, not the regimes that used that term in a completely different way thousands of years ago.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> We are talking about "democracy" in its modern meaning You are. That’s a redefinition. It neuters the term of its millennia-old moral weight. Sure, I’ll agree Israel isn’t a democracy per whatever definition you’re using. It isn’t a “real”country per others’. At that point, however, you’re just expressing a personal dislike. Nothing foundational.
- School-Cotton 2y agoIt's obvious that we are talking about the modern meaning of democracy because the entire thread is about current events. > I’ll agree Israel isn’t a democracy per whatever definition you’re using. Okay then, do you have an actual point, other than quibbling about what words mean?