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funny how this is truly a common point between Texas and California...

by ysofunny 2y ago

yieldcrv 2y ago
I mean if it was anywhere besides Austin sure
- hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
  It's really not just Austin anymore. All the big cities (Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso) are considerably more left-leaning than the rural parts of the state, https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/11/analysis-blue-dots-texas-red-political-sea/ https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/11/analysis-blue-dots-t... .
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    This is an old map, RGV has turned substantially more Republican since
    - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
      I mean, depends on your definition of "substantially", but yes, there was a big rightward shift, especially of Hispanic voters, in the RGV in 2020 compared to 2016, https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/texas/ https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/texas/. There was a ton of hand-wringing and speculation about why this happened. My best guess is because there was a ton of press near the end of the 2020 campaign about Biden saying he would "transition from the oil industry." It obviously has to happen eventually, but this was the case of "a gaffe is when you say the truth out loud". In the RGV many of the best jobs (if really the only good jobs for lots of people) are working in the oil industry and on offshore rigs. Also, obviously, these folks have to deal with the brunt of the migration crisis.
      - selimthegrim 2y ago
        There was a lot of talk about Spanish descended Hispanics in RGV preferentially voting for Trump
      - yieldcrv 2y ago
        > There was a ton of hand-wringing and speculation about why this happened that's one thing that is really annoying about the left, they don't treat their voting blocs as individuals. even the most progressive act like the entire voting bloc - each one that's not a white male - is oppressed, woe is me, and would therefore prioritize democrats no matter what else is happening in the country and the world. they're like "don't they know what's good for them!?" when anything besides their expected outcome occurs. its like a mental barrier of ever considering anything else, I've seen it all over the nation and far flung extremities of the US. talk to the actual human beings and its "foreign policy" "fiscal policy" "local economy" but the patronizing voices on the left don't even realize they are saying "no, silly, leave that stuff to the white man! you focus on these issues" its embarrassing. talk to the actual humans.
        hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
        I'm not quite sure why you find this more annoying about the left than the right. The fact is that politicians slice and dice their constituents by demographics largely because it works. People are individuals, yes, but politics is no different than marketing, and there is good reason advertisers spent billions for "highly targeted" marketing. I think the issue you point out is just what happens when any party starts to take their voting blocks for granted.
        yieldcrv 2y ago
        I didn’t say “than the right” but the individuals that matter may prioritize something self serving for the next 4-6 years though that involves the right though, and it may be an accurately objective decision. if the left wants to win friends and influence people, the patronizing mystery about large swaths of minorities goes away and relevant topics return.
theossuary 2y ago
Well a common point between Texas police and California police. Police don't change much across the country though, they're their own insular culture.

funny how this is truly a common point between Texas and California...

yieldcrv 2y ago

I mean if it was anywhere besides Austin sure

hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
It's really not just Austin anymore. All the big cities (Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, El Paso) are considerably more left-leaning than the rural parts of the state, https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/11/analysis-blue-dots-texas-red-political-sea/ https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11/11/analysis-blue-dots-t... .
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  This is an old map, RGV has turned substantially more Republican since
  - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
    I mean, depends on your definition of "substantially", but yes, there was a big rightward shift, especially of Hispanic voters, in the RGV in 2020 compared to 2016, https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/texas/ https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/texas/. There was a ton of hand-wringing and speculation about why this happened. My best guess is because there was a ton of press near the end of the 2020 campaign about Biden saying he would "transition from the oil industry." It obviously has to happen eventually, but this was the case of "a gaffe is when you say the truth out loud". In the RGV many of the best jobs (if really the only good jobs for lots of people) are working in the oil industry and on offshore rigs. Also, obviously, these folks have to deal with the brunt of the migration crisis.
    - selimthegrim 2y ago
      There was a lot of talk about Spanish descended Hispanics in RGV preferentially voting for Trump
    - yieldcrv 2y ago
      > There was a ton of hand-wringing and speculation about why this happened that's one thing that is really annoying about the left, they don't treat their voting blocs as individuals. even the most progressive act like the entire voting bloc - each one that's not a white male - is oppressed, woe is me, and would therefore prioritize democrats no matter what else is happening in the country and the world. they're like "don't they know what's good for them!?" when anything besides their expected outcome occurs. its like a mental barrier of ever considering anything else, I've seen it all over the nation and far flung extremities of the US. talk to the actual human beings and its "foreign policy" "fiscal policy" "local economy" but the patronizing voices on the left don't even realize they are saying "no, silly, leave that stuff to the white man! you focus on these issues" its embarrassing. talk to the actual humans.
      - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
        I'm not quite sure why you find this more annoying about the left than the right. The fact is that politicians slice and dice their constituents by demographics largely because it works. People are individuals, yes, but politics is no different than marketing, and there is good reason advertisers spent billions for "highly targeted" marketing. I think the issue you point out is just what happens when any party starts to take their voting blocks for granted.
        yieldcrv 2y ago
        I didn’t say “than the right” but the individuals that matter may prioritize something self serving for the next 4-6 years though that involves the right though, and it may be an accurately objective decision. if the left wants to win friends and influence people, the patronizing mystery about large swaths of minorities goes away and relevant topics return.

theossuary 2y ago

Well a common point between Texas police and California police. Police don't change much across the country though, they're their own insular culture.