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> you can assume that consciousness is a real thing independent of physics To make that claim is to engage in Cartesian dualism, don’t you see it? I find Carte
by strogonoff 2y ago
> you can assume that consciousness is a real thing independent of physics
To make that claim is to engage in Cartesian dualism, don’t you see it? I find Cartesian dualism not a particularly elegant theory (even less so than monistic materialism). If you believe you are arguing with a Cartesian dualist, then we are talking past each other.
(This is, I guess, an illustration of why I find complete lack of philosophical rigour so frustrating when arguing with monistic materialists.)
- lisper 2y agoI have no idea who I'm arguing with here. And I have no idea what distinguishes a "monistic materialist" from a non-monistic materialist. AFAIK, there is dualism and there is materialism, and that is an exhaustive partition of the philosophical idea space regarding consciousness. I also know that you think it's necessary to assume that consciousness exists rather than inferring its existence from (physical) observation, which makes you sound like a dualist to me. (I also find it rather frustrating that you complain about a lack of philosophical rigor while at the same time being so cagey about your actual position.) But please set me straight: what is your actual position?
- strogonoff 2y agoAs per above discussion starting with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40316040 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40316040, I find dualism dubious, and monisms of materialist sort inelegant. It is frustrating if I need to refresh that regularly. Perhaps you are trying to keep up with too many threads :) Monism in philosophy of mind means assuming the fundamental existence of one sort of thing (e.g., material world) as opposed to two (e.g., body and soul).