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> What if we could keep them, but make them work for the good of us all? What if we could tame these gigantic, bloodthirsty monsters that casually wander into

> What if we could keep them, but make them work for the good of us all? What if we could tame these gigantic, bloodthirsty monsters that casually wander into big cities and just start stomping skyscrapers down for shits and giggles? Think of how wonderful it would be to have one of those creatures under my control!!! > I'd like to see them 'multi-nationalized' - not for one nation, but for the world. Nothing would make such a kaiju safer than putting it beyond the reach of even sovereign nations. And when it's under the direction of some weird-assed UN committee no one's heard of, that has Saudi Arabia, North Korea, and China put in charge, think of all the wonderfully progressive things that will happen then!

mandmandam 2y ago
I mean, the kaiju are kind of a great example - weren't they fought by everyone coming together to build giant monsters of their own but with humans making the decisions? > when it's under the direction of some weird-assed UN committee no one's heard of Er, not what I had in mind, but there's probably some useful energy behind that pessimism.
- dylan604 2y ago
  Then what did you have in mind? Did you just not play the tape to the end to come to the same conclusion of how this new co-op would be run/organized?
  - mandmandam 2y ago
    There are many examples of successful coops to choose from [0]. Seems a bit early to try and pin down all the details. I'm not an expert. What I know for certain is that the current system can't continue. Try playing the tape that's currently in the player to the end. It's not very pretty: Ask any climate scientist. Ask any historian, any ecologist. Even (or especially) the billionaires know the current trajectory is not great; they're building apocalypse bunkers at a record pace. Seems a lot of people expect someone to come along and offer a perfect solution out of the box, and somehow not get taken out by the people who like things just as they are. I don't think that's reasonable. There needs to be a critical mass of people pushing for radical change, or we're pretty much fucked. 0 - https://ica.coop/en/media/news/new-ranking-worlds-300-largest-co-operatives-confirms-strength-and-good-health-movement https://ica.coop/en/media/news/new-ranking-worlds-300-larges...

mandmandam 2y ago

I mean, the kaiju are kind of a great example - weren't they fought by everyone coming together to build giant monsters of their own but with humans making the decisions? > when it's under the direction of some weird-assed UN committee no one's heard of Er, not what I had in mind, but there's probably some useful energy behind that pessimism.

dylan604 2y ago
Then what did you have in mind? Did you just not play the tape to the end to come to the same conclusion of how this new co-op would be run/organized?
- mandmandam 2y ago
  There are many examples of successful coops to choose from [0]. Seems a bit early to try and pin down all the details. I'm not an expert. What I know for certain is that the current system can't continue. Try playing the tape that's currently in the player to the end. It's not very pretty: Ask any climate scientist. Ask any historian, any ecologist. Even (or especially) the billionaires know the current trajectory is not great; they're building apocalypse bunkers at a record pace. Seems a lot of people expect someone to come along and offer a perfect solution out of the box, and somehow not get taken out by the people who like things just as they are. I don't think that's reasonable. There needs to be a critical mass of people pushing for radical change, or we're pretty much fucked. 0 - https://ica.coop/en/media/news/new-ranking-worlds-300-largest-co-operatives-confirms-strength-and-good-health-movement https://ica.coop/en/media/news/new-ranking-worlds-300-larges...