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Simply (and obvious) question: Of the recent climate change, how much is human-made and how much is natural? 2000 yrs ago, the world population was a fraction

Simply (and obvious) question: Of the recent climate change, how much is human-made and how much is natural? 2000 yrs ago, the world population was a fraction of what it is now. Tbere was no mass burning of fossil fuels. And yet the temps were at record highs. Do we have enough reliable data to judge the climate properly?

silverquiet 2y ago
If it's an obvious question to you, don't you think that climate scientists who have been looking into this for going on a century might also have thought of it and perhaps written about it?
- chiefalchemist 2y ago
  If they have... 1) You could have provided a link to two, yes? 2) The Media - and its scientist (?) pundits - would ease up on the "this is absolutely 100% human-made" narrative. 3) People who have suggested that maybe it's not "absolutely 100% human-made" would not be ridiculed, marginalized, canceled, etc. So if you can help out with any of these, it would be appreciated, sincerely. p.s. And per the article, the climate data that was being used prior, was incomplete, unreliable, and too small a sample size. And yet how many leaders and scientists have been basing big stroke ideas on that? We can't demand The Science, and then cherry pick bullshit because it perpetuates a narrative. Or can we??
  - silverquiet 2y ago
    I'd rather not. Frankly, it's grim enough that I don't really recommend doing the research on your own, and just staying ignorant if you can.
    - chiefalchemist 2y ago
      Frankly, that's weak. We don't come to HN to breathe sand. We come here to seek truth.
      - silverquiet 2y ago
        I don't believe you.
- Unbefleckt 2y ago
  As an ignorant outsider, I just notice that the sun gets intense and someone tells me that on the news they read that the sun is having a solar storm or something. I'm guessing the fossil fuels are responsible for reducing our protection from this storm? Cause otherwise to me it looks like the sun is the deciding factor in setting heat records. I still can't stand plastics and pollution so I still do my bit just from a cleanliness(?) point of view rather than climate change.
BLKNSLVR 2y ago
This is probably one of the best representations I've seen of historic climate cycles leading into what we're seeing in the last century or so: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/

silverquiet 2y ago

If it's an obvious question to you, don't you think that climate scientists who have been looking into this for going on a century might also have thought of it and perhaps written about it?

chiefalchemist 2y ago
If they have... 1) You could have provided a link to two, yes? 2) The Media - and its scientist (?) pundits - would ease up on the "this is absolutely 100% human-made" narrative. 3) People who have suggested that maybe it's not "absolutely 100% human-made" would not be ridiculed, marginalized, canceled, etc. So if you can help out with any of these, it would be appreciated, sincerely. p.s. And per the article, the climate data that was being used prior, was incomplete, unreliable, and too small a sample size. And yet how many leaders and scientists have been basing big stroke ideas on that? We can't demand The Science, and then cherry pick bullshit because it perpetuates a narrative. Or can we??
- silverquiet 2y ago
  I'd rather not. Frankly, it's grim enough that I don't really recommend doing the research on your own, and just staying ignorant if you can.
  - chiefalchemist 2y ago
    Frankly, that's weak. We don't come to HN to breathe sand. We come here to seek truth.
    - silverquiet 2y ago
      I don't believe you.
Unbefleckt 2y ago
As an ignorant outsider, I just notice that the sun gets intense and someone tells me that on the news they read that the sun is having a solar storm or something. I'm guessing the fossil fuels are responsible for reducing our protection from this storm? Cause otherwise to me it looks like the sun is the deciding factor in setting heat records. I still can't stand plastics and pollution so I still do my bit just from a cleanliness(?) point of view rather than climate change.

BLKNSLVR 2y ago

This is probably one of the best representations I've seen of historic climate cycles leading into what we're seeing in the last century or so: https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/