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Kyle Explains "Legacy Software" to the Aliens

46 points by surprisetalk 2y ago

MR4D 2y ago
This was funny until I realized how depressing it is....sigh.
- skyyler 2y ago
  >No, the people without internet generally have no money, so it's too unprofitable to think about them. Hit me like a punch to the gut.
hiatus 2y ago
> No, the old languages are not slow. It's the old hardware that's slow. But the old languages don't run on the new computers. Which languages is this referring to?
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Which languages is this referring to? C ? Running old code is a challenge. But running new code is also a challenge because "move fast, break things" mentality.
- santoshalper 2y ago
  Probably COBOL and Fortran, which can run on modern architectures, but in practice mostly don't.
  - olliej 2y ago
    People don’t write application code in those languages but as I understand it cobol is still underpinning large swathes of the financial system, and similar applies to fortran in engineering and scientific computing.
RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago
Meanwhile Alien: Even our most modern military motherships are able to perfectly run code that works on the 1950's models. We have truly achieved write once, run everywhere. (Independence Day 1996)
- beezlewax 2y ago
  Then Will Smith made one change to their left-pad dependency.. and the rest? History
- RecycledEle 2y ago
  One standard is an easy goal in a cathedral of dictatorship. It's more difficult in the bazaar of freedom.
horeszko 2y ago
> Humanity is deprecating TypeScript next year, so we're migrating our proxy server to HypeScript. "HypeScript". This captures contemporary commercial software development and business in a nutshell. In a few short years it went from cryptocurrency/blockchain, to metaverse (for about 6 months lol, gotta be a new record) to now AI (but somehow only if its a chatbot?).
ozim 2y ago
Let’s just skip that most used operating systems are corporation owned. Corporations were fighting long and hard to make their dev tools win and not allowing competition to make advances. Office on macOS was win by Microsoft because Apple needed it more. Apple iTunes on windows ugh that was terrible. Browsers now are accepted middle ground - well Apple is not really happy about it - but SaaS, cloud and browsers made OS less of a problem. If OS would be still relevant MS would not become so “open” with new .Net and else. Let’s also think how capital intensive is writing a maintaining operating system or a browser. Let’s skip over all the patents and IP rights, like if you won’t make your own language you are owned by some corporation. If there would be no churn in tech we would be all nowadays drones owned by IBM having crappy devices they never ever iterate on because they like steady stream of income not new things. Microsoft happened because Bill wanted to make his own compiler it would not happen if he would accept status quo. The same with Apple - Woz and Steve wanted to make new computer and it was not compatible with whatever IBM had because they would sue and take them over. Node.js, electron and JS ecosystem also started because some people were expressing their freedom which is more important than having “single programming language for everything”. (Yes Linus with Linux as well just to throw him in).

46 points by surprisetalk 2y ago

MR4D 2y ago

This was funny until I realized how depressing it is....sigh.

skyyler 2y ago
>No, the people without internet generally have no money, so it's too unprofitable to think about them. Hit me like a punch to the gut.

hiatus 2y ago

> No, the old languages are not slow. It's the old hardware that's slow. But the old languages don't run on the new computers. Which languages is this referring to?

hulitu 2y ago
> Which languages is this referring to? C ? Running old code is a challenge. But running new code is also a challenge because "move fast, break things" mentality.
santoshalper 2y ago
Probably COBOL and Fortran, which can run on modern architectures, but in practice mostly don't.
- olliej 2y ago
  People don’t write application code in those languages but as I understand it cobol is still underpinning large swathes of the financial system, and similar applies to fortran in engineering and scientific computing.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 2y ago

Meanwhile Alien: Even our most modern military motherships are able to perfectly run code that works on the 1950's models. We have truly achieved write once, run everywhere. (Independence Day 1996)

beezlewax 2y ago
Then Will Smith made one change to their left-pad dependency.. and the rest? History
RecycledEle 2y ago
One standard is an easy goal in a cathedral of dictatorship. It's more difficult in the bazaar of freedom.

horeszko 2y ago

> Humanity is deprecating TypeScript next year, so we're migrating our proxy server to HypeScript. "HypeScript". This captures contemporary commercial software development and business in a nutshell. In a few short years it went from cryptocurrency/blockchain, to metaverse (for about 6 months lol, gotta be a new record) to now AI (but somehow only if its a chatbot?).

ozim 2y ago

Let’s just skip that most used operating systems are corporation owned. Corporations were fighting long and hard to make their dev tools win and not allowing competition to make advances. Office on macOS was win by Microsoft because Apple needed it more. Apple iTunes on windows ugh that was terrible. Browsers now are accepted middle ground - well Apple is not really happy about it - but SaaS, cloud and browsers made OS less of a problem. If OS would be still relevant MS would not become so “open” with new .Net and else. Let’s also think how capital intensive is writing a maintaining operating system or a browser. Let’s skip over all the patents and IP rights, like if you won’t make your own language you are owned by some corporation. If there would be no churn in tech we would be all nowadays drones owned by IBM having crappy devices they never ever iterate on because they like steady stream of income not new things. Microsoft happened because Bill wanted to make his own compiler it would not happen if he would accept status quo. The same with Apple - Woz and Steve wanted to make new computer and it was not compatible with whatever IBM had because they would sue and take them over. Node.js, electron and JS ecosystem also started because some people were expressing their freedom which is more important than having “single programming language for everything”. (Yes Linus with Linux as well just to throw him in).