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> traditional window managers seem to work better with my brain. My final push came from Gnome (on X11) randomly messing up Alt+Tab so that each time it would

by nequo 2y ago

> traditional window managers seem to work better with my brain. My final push came from Gnome (on X11) randomly messing up Alt+Tab so that each time it would start cycling from an arbitrary window rather than the current one, only fixable by logging out and logging in again. Also annoying: with an external monitor, windows sometimes jump between monitors after suspend and resume for no clear reason. No such issues with Sway at all. Overall, I found the switch very worthwhile.

Dalewyn 2y ago
Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation have always been jank, all bets are off if you dare use them. Just idle or shut it down like a sane man.
- anymouse123456 2y ago
  I have a Thinkpad X1 Carbon running Ubuntu LTS that sleeps beautifully when I close the lid. This replaced years of Dell and Asus models that kept trying to commit thermal suicide in my bag.
- nequo 2y ago
  I’m only talking about window management getting messed up, not power management. My windows always go back to the correct position on the correct monitor with Sway. This was not the case with Gnome on X. Although my experience also matches sibling’s when it comes to power management.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    My experience is that if I dare to use Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation, everything janks up. Power management, window management, network management, anything and everything. It's why I always either just idle or shut down if I'm not using a desktop/laptop, depending on the expected downtime. I'm going to hard reboot anyway because of how janked up everything would otherwise be, so I might as well save myself the "fast" boot up cycle that just wastes my time.
    - nequo 2y ago
      That must be very frustrating. I’m sure you’ve already tried to track down the culprit and it was in vain. All I can say is that the ThinkPad + Sway combination seems solid even with suspend. I’m hoping you’ll find a fix too.
      - Dalewyn 2y ago
        Well, my fix has been to disregard their very existence since it's clearly not worth my time. Especially nowadays where computers boot off of SSDs, a full cold boot doesn't take more than several seconds anyway. There certainly was an argument back in ye olde HDD days.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  That depends on your hardware; generations of thinkpads have Just Worked, and the best sleep I've ever seen was Linux on some random Lenovo laptop (it slept properly, and could wake faster than I opened the lid).
jimbobthrowawy 2y ago
Did you try restarting GNOME (alt+f2, r in the prompt. doesn't close applications) when you had that alt-tab bug? One of the things that keeps me on x11 is gnome bugging out after running for a few days which restarting fixes, but gnome under wayland can't be restarted like that without logging out.
- nequo 2y ago
  I think I tried and that didn’t fix the Alt+Tab problem for me. The daunting thing about it was that I don’t even know where to begin to track down the cause, and it’s hard to file a bug report because it’s a heisenbug that takes weeks for me to come up. Does Gnome give you similar bugs on Wayland too?
  - jimbobthrowawy 2y ago
    I've gotten alt-tab weirdness under both. (I use wayland on one machine, and x11 on another) They both seem to have different sets of issues, and I don't think one stands out as much less buggy. Part of my problem might be the many extensions I have installed though.

by nequo 2y ago

Dalewyn 2y ago

Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation have always been jank, all bets are off if you dare use them. Just idle or shut it down like a sane man.

anymouse123456 2y ago
I have a Thinkpad X1 Carbon running Ubuntu LTS that sleeps beautifully when I close the lid. This replaced years of Dell and Asus models that kept trying to commit thermal suicide in my bag.
nequo 2y ago
I’m only talking about window management getting messed up, not power management. My windows always go back to the correct position on the correct monitor with Sway. This was not the case with Gnome on X. Although my experience also matches sibling’s when it comes to power management.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  My experience is that if I dare to use Suspend/Sleep/Hibernation, everything janks up. Power management, window management, network management, anything and everything. It's why I always either just idle or shut down if I'm not using a desktop/laptop, depending on the expected downtime. I'm going to hard reboot anyway because of how janked up everything would otherwise be, so I might as well save myself the "fast" boot up cycle that just wastes my time.
  - nequo 2y ago
    That must be very frustrating. I’m sure you’ve already tried to track down the culprit and it was in vain. All I can say is that the ThinkPad + Sway combination seems solid even with suspend. I’m hoping you’ll find a fix too.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      Well, my fix has been to disregard their very existence since it's clearly not worth my time. Especially nowadays where computers boot off of SSDs, a full cold boot doesn't take more than several seconds anyway. There certainly was an argument back in ye olde HDD days.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
That depends on your hardware; generations of thinkpads have Just Worked, and the best sleep I've ever seen was Linux on some random Lenovo laptop (it slept properly, and could wake faster than I opened the lid).

jimbobthrowawy 2y ago

Did you try restarting GNOME (alt+f2, r in the prompt. doesn't close applications) when you had that alt-tab bug? One of the things that keeps me on x11 is gnome bugging out after running for a few days which restarting fixes, but gnome under wayland can't be restarted like that without logging out.

nequo 2y ago
I think I tried and that didn’t fix the Alt+Tab problem for me. The daunting thing about it was that I don’t even know where to begin to track down the cause, and it’s hard to file a bug report because it’s a heisenbug that takes weeks for me to come up. Does Gnome give you similar bugs on Wayland too?
- jimbobthrowawy 2y ago
  I've gotten alt-tab weirdness under both. (I use wayland on one machine, and x11 on another) They both seem to have different sets of issues, and I don't think one stands out as much less buggy. Part of my problem might be the many extensions I have installed though.