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How do you disarm corporations from having this power without giving it to the government?

dns_snek 2y ago
That's an odd question, a democratically elected government is supposed to have the power to regulate, and they're supposed to exercise that privilege in a way that benefits their constituents - but that's a different debate. Corporations, meanwhile, are not supposed to wield disproportionate power over the laws and regulations. Separate issues.
- incangold 2y ago
  Indeed. Who else do you give the power to regulate companies to? There are no other options.
  - NavinF 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-regulatory_organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-regulatory_organization Works well for the US financial sector despite claims to the contrary
Rinzler89 2y ago
>without giving it to the government? At least the [elected] government is under the responsibility of its citizens, while corporations are only responsible to their shareholders.
alpinisme 2y ago
Even if we entrust governments with enforcing this, that doesn’t mean “arming” the government with the power you’re taking away from employers (arbitrary discretion in firing people, for example) any more than trusting the government to outlaw murder is empowering it to murder
- buzzert 2y ago
  > any more than trusting the government to outlaw murder is empowering it to murder That is precisely what happens in practice though. Referencing the thousands of people killed by police in the US every year, with little to no accountability (who is to hold them accountable?)
  - int_19h 2y ago
    That does not happen in other countries, though, even though murder is just as illegal there. Our government in general and our law enforcement specifically are very much out of control in many ways, but that is not an inherent state of affairs.
    - buzzert 2y ago
      I don’t see the government as being very different than a huge corporation. I haven’t seen very much evidence to the contrary, and this isn’t just a US perspective.
  - alpinisme 2y ago
    No. The government, via the police, can and does kill in the name of enforcing laws. But that power is not related to the fact we’ve made killing illegal for ordinary citizens. Outlawing murder is not what gave the government the right to kill, and outlawing discretionary firings would not be what gives the government the right to fire at its discretion (if it ever claimed that right).
wunderland 2y ago
In a democracy, the government having this power ostensibly means the people have this power. If the corporations have power beyond the reach of the government, then it's not really a democracy.
- buzzert 2y ago
  Do you really think this is the world we live in today? The whole point of this article is about crony capitalism.
- Nasrudith 2y ago
  Some powers are the absolute last thing you want to have in government hands because they are so abusable. Power over publication is one of them.
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Animats 2y ago
Strict liability for errors.

That's an odd question, a democratically elected government is supposed to have the power to regulate, and they're supposed to exercise that privilege in a way that benefits their constituents - but that's a different debate. Corporations, meanwhile, are not supposed to wield disproportionate power over the laws and regulations. Separate issues.

incangold 2y ago
Indeed. Who else do you give the power to regulate companies to? There are no other options.
- NavinF 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-regulatory_organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-regulatory_organization Works well for the US financial sector despite claims to the contrary

Rinzler89 2y ago

>without giving it to the government? At least the [elected] government is under the responsibility of its citizens, while corporations are only responsible to their shareholders.

alpinisme 2y ago

Even if we entrust governments with enforcing this, that doesn’t mean “arming” the government with the power you’re taking away from employers (arbitrary discretion in firing people, for example) any more than trusting the government to outlaw murder is empowering it to murder

buzzert 2y ago
> any more than trusting the government to outlaw murder is empowering it to murder That is precisely what happens in practice though. Referencing the thousands of people killed by police in the US every year, with little to no accountability (who is to hold them accountable?)
- int_19h 2y ago
  That does not happen in other countries, though, even though murder is just as illegal there. Our government in general and our law enforcement specifically are very much out of control in many ways, but that is not an inherent state of affairs.
  - buzzert 2y ago
    I don’t see the government as being very different than a huge corporation. I haven’t seen very much evidence to the contrary, and this isn’t just a US perspective.
- alpinisme 2y ago
  No. The government, via the police, can and does kill in the name of enforcing laws. But that power is not related to the fact we’ve made killing illegal for ordinary citizens. Outlawing murder is not what gave the government the right to kill, and outlawing discretionary firings would not be what gives the government the right to fire at its discretion (if it ever claimed that right).

wunderland 2y ago

In a democracy, the government having this power ostensibly means the people have this power. If the corporations have power beyond the reach of the government, then it's not really a democracy.

buzzert 2y ago
Do you really think this is the world we live in today? The whole point of this article is about crony capitalism.
Nasrudith 2y ago
Some powers are the absolute last thing you want to have in government hands because they are so abusable. Power over publication is one of them.

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Animats 2y ago

Strict liability for errors.