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I guess Europeans forgot how to build and learned how to consume funding from public projects. I am not sure how good is the source, but the sums are the same a

by lnsru 2y ago

I guess Europeans forgot how to build and learned how to consume funding from public projects. I am not sure how good is the source, but the sums are the same as in serious German articles: https://eulerpool.com/en/news/politics/the-planned-train-route-stuttgart21-an-ambitious https://eulerpool.com/en/news/politics/the-planned-train-rou... Stuttgart 21: from €3,5B to €11,5B and finish not in sight. So the bridge has potential to reach €50B.

TacticalCoder 2y ago
> Stuttgart 21: from €3,5B to €11,5B and finish not in sight. So the bridge has potential to reach €50B. That is the purpose of the EU institutions. It's the 2nd biggest scam, after the mandatory pension schemes. Note that the EU is currently jealous of the biggest ponzi of all time and hence wants its own: they want to remove veto-rights of member states on fiscal policies to be able to create an EU-wide, mandatory, pension fund (it's literally in talks right now). The public sector knows how to do one thing: seize private property (through taxes) to fund projects whose sole goal is to steal taxpayers money. Going from $3.5bn to $11bn over budget is the goal. In that these projects are very successful. That's why we don't have the equivalent of Tesla in Europe and that's why the European State Agency is nowhere compared to SpaceX. There's not a dollar or a EUR that's less well used that a dollar or EUR that's been through public spendings. Play stupid communist games (like having gigantic public spendings), end, all EU-wide, with a stupid failing economy. The EU shall only keep falling into irrelevancy on the world scene.
- herewulf 2y ago
  To be fair, NASA is nowhere compared to SpaceX also. So SpaceX is quite an anomaly in the USA as well. If SpaceX massively undercutting the prices and massively overshooting the capabilities of the likes of ULA and Boeing could have been predicted, then they never would have gotten the public funding that has bootstrapped this private company into the position it holds today.
snowpid 2y ago
You guess it from two projects? There are several world breaking infrastructure projects in Europe. Where are you from?
- lnsru 2y ago
  Add railway tunnel in Munich for now estimated €14B and my local 6 mile long train track extension, that is not finished for 30 years despite physical train track being there all the time. Can you name anything ground breaking finished this century? Airport in Berlin? Or Elbphilharmonie?
  - snowpid 2y ago
    https://www.bbt-se.com/tunnel/baufortschritt/ https://www.bbt-se.com/tunnel/baufortschritt/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3D1fLVQgZw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3D1fLVQgZw
    - lnsru 2y ago
      It might happen on schedule elsewhere. But on German side the connection to the tunnel is still in planing and not finished yet. And no end in sight.
      - snowpid 2y ago
        " I guess Europeans forgot how to build and learned how to consume funding from public projects. I am not sure how good is the source, but the sums are the same as in serious German articles: https://eulerpool.com/en/news/politics/the-planned-train-rou https://eulerpool.com/en/news/politics/the-planned-train-rou... " so I guess Europeans didnt forget as your 2 projects interpolation didnt work out very well.

by lnsru 2y ago

TacticalCoder 2y ago

> Stuttgart 21: from €3,5B to €11,5B and finish not in sight. So the bridge has potential to reach €50B. That is the purpose of the EU institutions. It's the 2nd biggest scam, after the mandatory pension schemes. Note that the EU is currently jealous of the biggest ponzi of all time and hence wants its own: they want to remove veto-rights of member states on fiscal policies to be able to create an EU-wide, mandatory, pension fund (it's literally in talks right now). The public sector knows how to do one thing: seize private property (through taxes) to fund projects whose sole goal is to steal taxpayers money. Going from $3.5bn to $11bn over budget is the goal. In that these projects are very successful. That's why we don't have the equivalent of Tesla in Europe and that's why the European State Agency is nowhere compared to SpaceX. There's not a dollar or a EUR that's less well used that a dollar or EUR that's been through public spendings. Play stupid communist games (like having gigantic public spendings), end, all EU-wide, with a stupid failing economy. The EU shall only keep falling into irrelevancy on the world scene.

herewulf 2y ago
To be fair, NASA is nowhere compared to SpaceX also. So SpaceX is quite an anomaly in the USA as well. If SpaceX massively undercutting the prices and massively overshooting the capabilities of the likes of ULA and Boeing could have been predicted, then they never would have gotten the public funding that has bootstrapped this private company into the position it holds today.

snowpid 2y ago

You guess it from two projects? There are several world breaking infrastructure projects in Europe. Where are you from?

lnsru 2y ago
Add railway tunnel in Munich for now estimated €14B and my local 6 mile long train track extension, that is not finished for 30 years despite physical train track being there all the time. Can you name anything ground breaking finished this century? Airport in Berlin? Or Elbphilharmonie?
- snowpid 2y ago
  https://www.bbt-se.com/tunnel/baufortschritt/ https://www.bbt-se.com/tunnel/baufortschritt/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3D1fLVQgZw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3D1fLVQgZw
  - lnsru 2y ago
    It might happen on schedule elsewhere. But on German side the connection to the tunnel is still in planing and not finished yet. And no end in sight.
    - snowpid 2y ago
      " I guess Europeans forgot how to build and learned how to consume funding from public projects. I am not sure how good is the source, but the sums are the same as in serious German articles: https://eulerpool.com/en/news/politics/the-planned-train-rou https://eulerpool.com/en/news/politics/the-planned-train-rou... " so I guess Europeans didnt forget as your 2 projects interpolation didnt work out very well.