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Any body of academic thought whose paradigmatic communication medium is video rather than text is prima facie suspect. Might you please link a written statement

by jpt4 2y ago

Any body of academic thought whose paradigmatic communication medium is video rather than text is prima facie suspect. Might you please link a written statement of the salient position(s) of any one of these gentlemen?

gala8y 2y ago
Couldn't agree more. “Writing is nature’s way of letting you know how sloppy your thinking is.” - Dick Guindon https://web.archive.org/web/20160731175038/http://www.guindoncartoons.com/userfiles/1231656389.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20160731175038/http://www.guindo... https://web.archive.org/web/20160731212226/http://www.guindoncartoons.com/userfiles/1225769038.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20160731212226/http://www.guindo...
makk 2y ago
?
- _a_a_a_ 2y ago
  "video is for poseurs", I think.
- MetallicDragon 2y ago
  "Any kind of big idea which is spread primarily through video instead of text is immediately suspicious. Could you please send a link to a written version of the main points from any one of those video?"
Jevon23 2y ago
Video is not the standard medium of communication in academic philosophy. I imagine the GP mentioned youtube because most people are more likely to watch a video than read a paper. Bernardo Kastrup has a bunch of essays/books up for free at his website https://www.bernardokastrup.com/p/papers.html?m=1 https://www.bernardokastrup.com/p/papers.html?m=1
- fngjdflmdflg 2y ago
  Or GP himself watches these videos. And I would push back on the claim that most posters here are more likely to watch a Youtube video than read an article.
  - RaftPeople 2y ago
    I was thinking the same thing, I can't stand how slow video is, much easier to read text.
- tomhoward 2y ago
  To be clear, I don’t sit there for hours watching videos on YouTube (I have a busy career and a family so that’s not an option these days). I do consume a lot of YouTube content as audio-only when driving or exercising. I find video particularly satisfying for this topic and these figures, because much of the most valuable insight emerges through discussion and debate. I’ve read Kastrup’s book “Why Materialism is Baloney” and found it very satisfying - but I was already amenable to his position; I don’t imagine it would be persuasive to an entrenched skeptic.
aydyn 2y ago
Just curious, why do you write like that? Reminds when I was 11 and wanted to sound smarter on the internet.
- agumonkey 2y ago
  Sidenote a lot of people get triggered by videos as information. Cause reading is indexable. I used to be a bit like that and ran into a few extremists.
  - Scarblac 2y ago
    Text is also much more dense. What videos spend 15 minutes on can be read in a few. You can also skim text first and then switch to deeper reading where desired, et cetera.
- jpt4 2y ago
  My reply is an attempt to address the original comment with precision. To diagram its intended meaning: > alternative theories of consciousness "Any body of academic thought" [I accede the scientific legitimacy of the domain of discourse, rather than dismissing it.] > know where to go to find well-argued positions on the topic. "whose paradigmatic communication medium" [This is the beginning of my challenge to the Original Commenter, by granting the information provided authoritative status, which they perhaps cannot fully defend.] > On YouTube you can find plenty of discussions "is video rather than text" > it’s particularly important to explore these discussions as dispassionately as possible if you regard materialism as the only theory of mind that has any scientific credibility or validity. "is prima facie suspect" [The Original Commenter has asserted that discourse and engagement are important, yet provided only time consuming, low signal-to-noise sources of information.] > As Christopher Hitchens reminds us in his legendary oration on John Stuart Mill and free speech [2] "Might you please link a written statement of the salient position(s) of any one of these gentlemen?" [The only written citations are 1) generic and 2) ancillary to the core topic. I invite the Original Commenter to further his argument more substantively, without demanding exhaustive citations.]
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cscurmudgeon 2y ago
There are tons of written books and journals on this topic. My favorite: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/shadows-of-the-mind-9780195106466 https://global.oup.com/academic/product/shadows-of-the-mind-...
- jpt4 2y ago
  Thank you, this is a good resource.
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a1371 2y ago
I think it's pretty elitist to judge the quality of a content via whether it's in a book/journal or not. In fact, the recent wave of scientific fraud discovery shows that one can hide data manipulation pretty effectively in an academic journal. I'd much rather scientists spend their time making eli5 videos.
tomhoward 2y ago
Hi there, my intention was to offer some names of people who have intelligent things to say about the topic. I mentioned YouTube videos because there’s a large volume of their content there, with many of the videos featuring in-depth conversations and debates, which I’ve found can be a particularly good format for discussion of a topic of such gravity and complexity. But between these three figures there are also many books, academic papers, blog posts, and written media interviews. I’ve long found that this is a topic in which some people are going to be standoffish and resistant and that’s fine. My hope is only to help people who are looking to learn about the topic to know who I’ve found worthwhile to learn from. All the best!
GolberThorce 2y ago
https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/politics-and-the-english-language/ https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel... required reading @jpt4 u/jpt4

by jpt4 2y ago

gala8y 2y ago

Couldn't agree more. “Writing is nature’s way of letting you know how sloppy your thinking is.” - Dick Guindon https://web.archive.org/web/20160731175038/http://www.guindoncartoons.com/userfiles/1231656389.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20160731175038/http://www.guindo... https://web.archive.org/web/20160731212226/http://www.guindoncartoons.com/userfiles/1225769038.jpg https://web.archive.org/web/20160731212226/http://www.guindo...

makk 2y ago

_a_a_a_ 2y ago
"video is for poseurs", I think.
MetallicDragon 2y ago
"Any kind of big idea which is spread primarily through video instead of text is immediately suspicious. Could you please send a link to a written version of the main points from any one of those video?"

Jevon23 2y ago

Video is not the standard medium of communication in academic philosophy. I imagine the GP mentioned youtube because most people are more likely to watch a video than read a paper. Bernardo Kastrup has a bunch of essays/books up for free at his website https://www.bernardokastrup.com/p/papers.html?m=1 https://www.bernardokastrup.com/p/papers.html?m=1

fngjdflmdflg 2y ago
Or GP himself watches these videos. And I would push back on the claim that most posters here are more likely to watch a Youtube video than read an article.
- RaftPeople 2y ago
  I was thinking the same thing, I can't stand how slow video is, much easier to read text.
tomhoward 2y ago
To be clear, I don’t sit there for hours watching videos on YouTube (I have a busy career and a family so that’s not an option these days). I do consume a lot of YouTube content as audio-only when driving or exercising. I find video particularly satisfying for this topic and these figures, because much of the most valuable insight emerges through discussion and debate. I’ve read Kastrup’s book “Why Materialism is Baloney” and found it very satisfying - but I was already amenable to his position; I don’t imagine it would be persuasive to an entrenched skeptic.

aydyn 2y ago

Just curious, why do you write like that? Reminds when I was 11 and wanted to sound smarter on the internet.

agumonkey 2y ago
Sidenote a lot of people get triggered by videos as information. Cause reading is indexable. I used to be a bit like that and ran into a few extremists.
- Scarblac 2y ago
  Text is also much more dense. What videos spend 15 minutes on can be read in a few. You can also skim text first and then switch to deeper reading where desired, et cetera.
jpt4 2y ago
My reply is an attempt to address the original comment with precision. To diagram its intended meaning: > alternative theories of consciousness "Any body of academic thought" [I accede the scientific legitimacy of the domain of discourse, rather than dismissing it.] > know where to go to find well-argued positions on the topic. "whose paradigmatic communication medium" [This is the beginning of my challenge to the Original Commenter, by granting the information provided authoritative status, which they perhaps cannot fully defend.] > On YouTube you can find plenty of discussions "is video rather than text" > it’s particularly important to explore these discussions as dispassionately as possible if you regard materialism as the only theory of mind that has any scientific credibility or validity. "is prima facie suspect" [The Original Commenter has asserted that discourse and engagement are important, yet provided only time consuming, low signal-to-noise sources of information.] > As Christopher Hitchens reminds us in his legendary oration on John Stuart Mill and free speech [2] "Might you please link a written statement of the salient position(s) of any one of these gentlemen?" [The only written citations are 1) generic and 2) ancillary to the core topic. I invite the Original Commenter to further his argument more substantively, without demanding exhaustive citations.]
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cscurmudgeon 2y ago

There are tons of written books and journals on this topic. My favorite: https://global.oup.com/academic/product/shadows-of-the-mind-9780195106466 https://global.oup.com/academic/product/shadows-of-the-mind-...

jpt4 2y ago
Thank you, this is a good resource.
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a1371 2y ago

I think it's pretty elitist to judge the quality of a content via whether it's in a book/journal or not. In fact, the recent wave of scientific fraud discovery shows that one can hide data manipulation pretty effectively in an academic journal. I'd much rather scientists spend their time making eli5 videos.

tomhoward 2y ago

Hi there, my intention was to offer some names of people who have intelligent things to say about the topic. I mentioned YouTube videos because there’s a large volume of their content there, with many of the videos featuring in-depth conversations and debates, which I’ve found can be a particularly good format for discussion of a topic of such gravity and complexity. But between these three figures there are also many books, academic papers, blog posts, and written media interviews. I’ve long found that this is a topic in which some people are going to be standoffish and resistant and that’s fine. My hope is only to help people who are looking to learn about the topic to know who I’ve found worthwhile to learn from. All the best!

GolberThorce 2y ago

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/politics-and-the-english-language/ https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel... required reading @jpt4 u/jpt4