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I’m an Apple fan and I keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in Apple stock, and I still hope we at least get side loading out of all this. I do not believe thi

by ein0p 2y ago

I’m an Apple fan and I keep hundreds of thousands of dollars in Apple stock, and I still hope we at least get side loading out of all this. I do not believe this would be in any way detrimental to Apple - most people don’t give a shit. But for me and others like me it’d be pretty neat to do on my iPhone and iPad what I can already do on my Mac: install my own software that is not arbitrarily time limited.

makeitdouble 2y ago
> I do not believe this would be in any way detrimental to Apple They wouldn't be ropped in kicking and screaming if that really was the case.
- throwaway_qiwuw 2y ago
  Much like my 8 year old, I think they lack the perspective to behave like an adult here. Several companies have fought what they thought were unwanted regulations only to view them as useful later on. Time will tell if they were right to kick and scream or not.
  - pjerem 2y ago
    Yeah. Especially in Apple’s case, I don’t understand how they can’t see that a more open iOS could easily dominate the market.
    - ein0p 2y ago
      It already dominates the market though, at least in the US, the wealthiest market there is.
      - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
        They actually have to put effort into competing in Europe, lol.
        seec 2y ago
        And they have been rather uncompetitive lately. Nowadays, the only thing they do better than others is their own silicon but since it's not that relevant for phones anymore they need to do better. The worst is that because of greed they find a way to purposefully limit the phone usefulness to artificially force higher price poing (RAM/storage). Just as an example, you gotta be really into the ecosystem to choose an iPhone 15 over a Pixel 8. But I think most stick with Apple because it is complicated to switch and all the software "investment" is lost. Previously as an Apple "believer" I was against cross-platform apps but now I feel like a transferable licence is almost a requirement. It is very worth the small performance cost.
        ein0p 2y ago
        Idk, iPhone 15 is faster, more private, and has better software. It’ll also last much longer, speaking from experience.
  - shadofx 2y ago
    They have a fiduciary responsibility to kick and scream as much as possible, then turn around and pitch it as a new feature once the rule is passed. If they really thought that they'd lose tons of money they would avoid drawing attention to it, and quietly pour money into bribing officials and sabotaging Android.
- nywles 2y ago
  Isn't this standard door-in-face technique? Throw an absurd proposal in your face to make the next proposal look reasonable even if it is not even close to the original demand?
wiseowise 2y ago
Hope? You should demand it. You’ve already dipped money into it.
refurb 2y ago
What we'll most likely get is a backdoor to iPhone encryption in the name of "security".
- karma_pharmer 2y ago
  What makes you so sure there isn't one already? The FBI's whining? It's like that scene at the end of Sneakers: "they just don't want to share with the other children..."
  - SixDouble5321 2y ago
    We do know with 100% certainty there is a backdoor built in to the hardware. [0] The only question is who gets the extreme pleasure of using it. [0] https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/exploit-used-in-mass-iphone-infection-campaign-targeted-secret-hardware-feature/ https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/exploit-used-in-mas...
RadiozRadioz 2y ago
This sounds like a bad idea for diversification unless you're extremely wealthy and have tens of hundreds of thousands in other things.
- whamlastxmas 2y ago
  Probably an Apple employee that hasn’t vested
- ein0p 2y ago
  It's of course not the only thing in my portfolio, nor is it even the main security in it. Parking all the money in a single stock would be an extremely bad idea indeed.
m463 2y ago
> arbitrarily time limited. I think this statement is unclear. You can currently sideload applications on ios, but you have to agree to terms from apple, have an appleid, and then you can compile and run an app for a few days. Then the app stops working. lather, rinse, repeat. Honestly, I think apple is back to the wandering misguided apple before steve jobs returned. There seems to be no leadership, just the 1984 commercial, maybe with bright art-deco colors added. leadership would cut through all this nonsense and straighten things out.

by ein0p 2y ago

makeitdouble 2y ago

> I do not believe this would be in any way detrimental to Apple They wouldn't be ropped in kicking and screaming if that really was the case.

throwaway_qiwuw 2y ago
Much like my 8 year old, I think they lack the perspective to behave like an adult here. Several companies have fought what they thought were unwanted regulations only to view them as useful later on. Time will tell if they were right to kick and scream or not.
- pjerem 2y ago
  Yeah. Especially in Apple’s case, I don’t understand how they can’t see that a more open iOS could easily dominate the market.
  - ein0p 2y ago
    It already dominates the market though, at least in the US, the wealthiest market there is.
    - Cthulhu_ 2y ago
      They actually have to put effort into competing in Europe, lol.
      - seec 2y ago
        And they have been rather uncompetitive lately. Nowadays, the only thing they do better than others is their own silicon but since it's not that relevant for phones anymore they need to do better. The worst is that because of greed they find a way to purposefully limit the phone usefulness to artificially force higher price poing (RAM/storage). Just as an example, you gotta be really into the ecosystem to choose an iPhone 15 over a Pixel 8. But I think most stick with Apple because it is complicated to switch and all the software "investment" is lost. Previously as an Apple "believer" I was against cross-platform apps but now I feel like a transferable licence is almost a requirement. It is very worth the small performance cost.
        ein0p 2y ago
        Idk, iPhone 15 is faster, more private, and has better software. It’ll also last much longer, speaking from experience.
- shadofx 2y ago
  They have a fiduciary responsibility to kick and scream as much as possible, then turn around and pitch it as a new feature once the rule is passed. If they really thought that they'd lose tons of money they would avoid drawing attention to it, and quietly pour money into bribing officials and sabotaging Android.
nywles 2y ago
Isn't this standard door-in-face technique? Throw an absurd proposal in your face to make the next proposal look reasonable even if it is not even close to the original demand?

wiseowise 2y ago

Hope? You should demand it. You’ve already dipped money into it.

refurb 2y ago

What we'll most likely get is a backdoor to iPhone encryption in the name of "security".

karma_pharmer 2y ago
What makes you so sure there isn't one already? The FBI's whining? It's like that scene at the end of Sneakers: "they just don't want to share with the other children..."
- SixDouble5321 2y ago
  We do know with 100% certainty there is a backdoor built in to the hardware. [0] The only question is who gets the extreme pleasure of using it. [0] https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/exploit-used-in-mass-iphone-infection-campaign-targeted-secret-hardware-feature/ https://arstechnica.com/security/2023/12/exploit-used-in-mas...

RadiozRadioz 2y ago

This sounds like a bad idea for diversification unless you're extremely wealthy and have tens of hundreds of thousands in other things.

whamlastxmas 2y ago
Probably an Apple employee that hasn’t vested
ein0p 2y ago
It's of course not the only thing in my portfolio, nor is it even the main security in it. Parking all the money in a single stock would be an extremely bad idea indeed.

m463 2y ago

> arbitrarily time limited. I think this statement is unclear. You can currently sideload applications on ios, but you have to agree to terms from apple, have an appleid, and then you can compile and run an app for a few days. Then the app stops working. lather, rinse, repeat. Honestly, I think apple is back to the wandering misguided apple before steve jobs returned. There seems to be no leadership, just the 1984 commercial, maybe with bright art-deco colors added. leadership would cut through all this nonsense and straighten things out.