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You are taking the side of a 3 trillion dollor consumer goods company's bottom line, rather than 500 million people's right to choice and privacy. You do reali

You are taking the side of a 3 trillion dollor consumer goods company's bottom line, rather than 500 million people's right to choice and privacy. You do realise that, don't you?

kernal 2y ago
No, I'm taking the side of sanity over an overly bureaucratic union that requires all its websites to show cookie banners.
- growse 2y ago
  Where does the EU require websites to show cookie banners?
drivebyhooting 2y ago
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- raverbashing 2y ago
  > And the side of American prosperity and hegemony. An argument that was often used to justify things like no limit to working hours, no worker's rights, etc
  - subroutine 2y ago
    Pffft. Maybe the EU would have some big tech companies of their own if they didn't take entire summers off work.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      The EU makes a reasonable number of tech companies (though these days, is there really a distinction between tech and non-tech?), they just keep getting bought out.
- ben_w 2y ago
  As a Brit who moved to Germany rather than the US as a result of 2016's Investigatory Powers Act and Brexit referendum results, I am not motivated by such things.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  Apple isn't doing a damned thing to promote my prosperity bud, and glossy consumer electronics is hardly the path to hegemony. Just between me and you, I think consumers, The Market, and tech in general would be better off if Apple imploded in a cloud of minority shareholder lawsuits.
fwlr 2y ago
It's governments vs corporations; the 500 million people aren't actually being represented in either camp. Being a subject is little better than being a consumer, and in some ways much worse.
- dmoo 2y ago
  Most are citizens rather than subjects and EU elections are at the start of June.
  - pjerem 2y ago
    s/Most/All
- theshrike79 2y ago
  I can vote for who decides things in the EU. I have no say in how Google, for example, does their business. I'm way too poor for that. I'd need literal billions of stock to get Satya Nadella's phone number =)
  - wolfendin 2y ago
    Good for you, I can’t and now I have to deal with endless pop ups about cookies.
    - gschizas 2y ago
      The cookie popups are just the dark pattern that companies decided to use to avoid using those sweet, sweet money from selling your private data. They were never prescribed by GDPR.
    - olivierduval 2y ago
      That was not mandated by the GDPR but implemented by companies trying to punish users in the hope of a backlash and cancellation of the law All the GDPR is asking is: "if you want to use some PII, you have (1) to ask consent (2) to accept user decision" Others implementations may have included: respecting "Do Not Track" signal implemented in browser or just... not using PII at first to sell personal datas to advertiser to make more money than selling untargeted ads (so no popup needed)!
paganel 2y ago
The ghouls in Brussels do not represent us all, they do not represent anyone, if we’re talking democracy. It’s a battle over clout and economic resources between whoever is backing these technocrats and some of the biggest corporations in the world, most of us EU citizens have a lot of more important worries on our minds.
- deleted 2y ago
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- malermeister 2y ago
  They represent me and my fellow non-extremist citizens. Is the EU perfect? No. Is it better than any alternative? Yes.
  - vsl 2y ago
    Calling people you disagree with "extremist" is a step too far.
    - malermeister 2y ago
      So is calling our representatives "ghouls".
- martimarkov 2y ago
  Ummm like what? Tell me what are there problems that we need to worry about where a battle over “economic resources” is you know… not a part of the solution or problem. Also if we are talking democracy and representation- it’s quite obvious you are mistaken. We have the European Parliament elections so… you know democratically elected representatives. Feel free to share you view on democracy but it will be in conflict with that the real definition of word is given your comment.
- polotics 2y ago
  May I ask you to consider that possibly what you refer as ghouls are no more no less ghoulish than MBA's somewhere in the valley planning on maximum screen-addiction for ten year olds. At some point you have to face the possibility that the opposite of a bad thing may also be an equally bad thing...
subroutine 2y ago
The EU's biggest money maker is enacting laws that can be used to sue American tech companies.
- sir_pepe 2y ago
  Not true, member state's contributions are the largest "money maker": https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/financing-the-eu-budget/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/financing-the-eu...

You are taking the side of a 3 trillion dollor consumer goods company's bottom line, rather than 500 million people's right to choice and privacy. You do realise that, don't you?

kernal 2y ago

No, I'm taking the side of sanity over an overly bureaucratic union that requires all its websites to show cookie banners.

growse 2y ago
Where does the EU require websites to show cookie banners?

drivebyhooting 2y ago

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raverbashing 2y ago
> And the side of American prosperity and hegemony. An argument that was often used to justify things like no limit to working hours, no worker's rights, etc
- subroutine 2y ago
  Pffft. Maybe the EU would have some big tech companies of their own if they didn't take entire summers off work.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    The EU makes a reasonable number of tech companies (though these days, is there really a distinction between tech and non-tech?), they just keep getting bought out.
ben_w 2y ago
As a Brit who moved to Germany rather than the US as a result of 2016's Investigatory Powers Act and Brexit referendum results, I am not motivated by such things.
forgetfreeman 2y ago
Apple isn't doing a damned thing to promote my prosperity bud, and glossy consumer electronics is hardly the path to hegemony. Just between me and you, I think consumers, The Market, and tech in general would be better off if Apple imploded in a cloud of minority shareholder lawsuits.

fwlr 2y ago

It's governments vs corporations; the 500 million people aren't actually being represented in either camp. Being a subject is little better than being a consumer, and in some ways much worse.

dmoo 2y ago
Most are citizens rather than subjects and EU elections are at the start of June.
- pjerem 2y ago
  s/Most/All
theshrike79 2y ago
I can vote for who decides things in the EU. I have no say in how Google, for example, does their business. I'm way too poor for that. I'd need literal billions of stock to get Satya Nadella's phone number =)
- wolfendin 2y ago
  Good for you, I can’t and now I have to deal with endless pop ups about cookies.
  - gschizas 2y ago
    The cookie popups are just the dark pattern that companies decided to use to avoid using those sweet, sweet money from selling your private data. They were never prescribed by GDPR.
  - olivierduval 2y ago
    That was not mandated by the GDPR but implemented by companies trying to punish users in the hope of a backlash and cancellation of the law All the GDPR is asking is: "if you want to use some PII, you have (1) to ask consent (2) to accept user decision" Others implementations may have included: respecting "Do Not Track" signal implemented in browser or just... not using PII at first to sell personal datas to advertiser to make more money than selling untargeted ads (so no popup needed)!

paganel 2y ago

The ghouls in Brussels do not represent us all, they do not represent anyone, if we’re talking democracy. It’s a battle over clout and economic resources between whoever is backing these technocrats and some of the biggest corporations in the world, most of us EU citizens have a lot of more important worries on our minds.

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malermeister 2y ago
They represent me and my fellow non-extremist citizens. Is the EU perfect? No. Is it better than any alternative? Yes.
- vsl 2y ago
  Calling people you disagree with "extremist" is a step too far.
  - malermeister 2y ago
    So is calling our representatives "ghouls".
martimarkov 2y ago
Ummm like what? Tell me what are there problems that we need to worry about where a battle over “economic resources” is you know… not a part of the solution or problem. Also if we are talking democracy and representation- it’s quite obvious you are mistaken. We have the European Parliament elections so… you know democratically elected representatives. Feel free to share you view on democracy but it will be in conflict with that the real definition of word is given your comment.
polotics 2y ago
May I ask you to consider that possibly what you refer as ghouls are no more no less ghoulish than MBA's somewhere in the valley planning on maximum screen-addiction for ten year olds. At some point you have to face the possibility that the opposite of a bad thing may also be an equally bad thing...

subroutine 2y ago

The EU's biggest money maker is enacting laws that can be used to sue American tech companies.

sir_pepe 2y ago
Not true, member state's contributions are the largest "money maker": https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/financing-the-eu-budget/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/financing-the-eu...