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It’s dangerous and misleading when reporters conflate controlled scientific studies with anecdotes that haven’t proven true when properly studied: “I had learn

It’s dangerous and misleading when reporters conflate controlled scientific studies with anecdotes that haven’t proven true when properly studied: “I had learned there are massive health benefits to reversing obesity with these drugs: for example, Novo Nordisk ran a trial that found weekly injections reduced the risk of heart attack or stroke by 20% for participants with a BMI over 27 and a history of cardiac events. But I also saw there are significant risks. I interviewed prestigious French scientists who worry the drugs could cause an increase in thyroid cancer, and eating disorders experts who worry it will cause a rise in this problem. Other experts fear it may cause depression or suicidal thoughts. These claims are all fiercely disputed and debated. I felt trapped between two risky choices—ongoing obesity, or drugs with lots of unknowns.” The suicidal thoughts have been studied: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna147578 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna147578

saurik 2y ago
So, I know this isn't the point you were making--and I also certainly am not saying this correlation could mean what it would look to imply--but a little part of me read your comment and went "huh: so if the Japanese people 'don't need Ozempic', are they also already experiencing the side effects?"... and, I correctly hazily remembered, they are: "In 2017, the country had the seventh highest suicide rate in the OECD, at 14.9 per 100,000 persons, and in 2019 the country had the second highest suicide rate among the G7 developed nations." (per Wikipedia).
- solidsnack9000 2y ago
  The USA also has a relatively high suicide rate for a developed country, though. The USA is closing the gap and recent data puts the USA at a higher rate than Japan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...

saurik 2y ago

So, I know this isn't the point you were making--and I also certainly am not saying this correlation could mean what it would look to imply--but a little part of me read your comment and went "huh: so if the Japanese people 'don't need Ozempic', are they also already experiencing the side effects?"... and, I correctly hazily remembered, they are: "In 2017, the country had the seventh highest suicide rate in the OECD, at 14.9 per 100,000 persons, and in 2019 the country had the second highest suicide rate among the G7 developed nations." (per Wikipedia).

solidsnack9000 2y ago
The USA also has a relatively high suicide rate for a developed country, though. The USA is closing the gap and recent data puts the USA at a higher rate than Japan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...