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My mom is from San Anton, and her family is from nowhere N TX. Houston failed by allowing residential areas to be built in flood plains ("sacrifice zones") and

My mom is from San Anton, and her family is from nowhere N TX. Houston failed by allowing residential areas to be built in flood plains ("sacrifice zones") and near polluting petrochemical plants that blow up about once a year. And, it's regularly ravaged by hurricanes and just yesterday a derecho blew out skyscraper windows, collapsed a brick wall, and knocked out power for what maybe weeks. Not much of the HTX metro area can be called "a good place to live" with a straight face. Zoning rules should prevent people from living in dangerous areas, which HTX has clearly failed at.

dreamcompiler 2y ago
The flooding issue is huge in Houston. The city was built on a swamp and the fact that buildings sit there now does not make it less of a swamp. There are places around the city that are high enough not to flood horribly, but even if you live in such a place you still have to deal with Houston summers (April through October) when being outdoors for any length of time is miserable.
- anonymousDan 2y ago
  Yeah when I lived there as a kid the joke was that Houston has three seasons - Summer, July and August!
- abathur 2y ago
  > you still have to deal with Houston summers (April through October) when being outdoors for any length of time is miserable. This is a minor exaggeration. Pollen aside, April is generally fairly pleasant. May is more dicey, but it isn't necessarily miserable. (I've managed to work from a coffee shop patio at least a couple days this month without having to call it quits in the early afternoon.) We can even have pleasant if humid days as late as early June IME. But yes, summer can be rough. I generally say summer is 6 months when I'm speaking loosely to set context for someone who hasn't experienced it.
  - abathur 2y ago
    On cue, I'm currently getting a late patio day on May 31st (and it's even chilly enough for goosebumps). A line of storms is pushing through this morning, so it was 67 out when I woke up at 7 and is still 68 now (almost 10:40).
- fuzzfactor 2y ago
  >Founded in the 1830s at the confluence of the Buffalo and White Oak bayous There are other bayous collecting runoff from other watersheds, and like others, these two streams running through central Houston have apparently become miles wider and dozens of feet deeper on a routine basis for many thousands of years. In Wikipedia, the 1873 aerial drawing of Houston shows there is only one thing in the picture; a flood plain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_map-Houston-1873.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_map-Houston-1873.jpg The developing Allen brothers probably didn't know it at the time, but the purpose of Houston was to sell "false estate" as if it was real estate.
aegypti 2y ago
This is literally an article about how infill/density became easier in Houston, removing the need to expand residential zoning outwards to flood plains and refinery backyards to continue growing.
- ted_dunning 2y ago
  Actually, it was an article about how they could increase housing density near existing refineries in the urban area and in already inhabited flood plains. There are 6 refineries that I found inside the highway 8 beltway in about 30 seconds. All of them have housing developments within 1000m. Two have houses within a few hundred meters.
  - aegypti 2y ago
    The entire article’s text is about development in the inner loop. There are multiple pictures as well. But using the beltway which is 6x the area, the vast majority of development is still nowhere near a refinery, or on a 100 year flood plain.
    - banish-m4 2y ago
      Sounds like it could be almost livable if it weren't for the derechos and hurricanes. Meanwhile, Austin and other parts of the triangle are building like crazy in low-lying areas and near floodplains with massive tract home developments.
      - aegypti 2y ago
        You could live for the food alone, but between the humidity and Galveston for a beach it’s probably still debatable. Flooding is an issue but it isn’t existential for Austin/SA or DFW, and with the huge reforms in Austin recently a type of opt out style like the article is now there too that can compensate for sprawl. Worried about Corpus and RGV in the future though.

dreamcompiler 2y ago

The flooding issue is huge in Houston. The city was built on a swamp and the fact that buildings sit there now does not make it less of a swamp. There are places around the city that are high enough not to flood horribly, but even if you live in such a place you still have to deal with Houston summers (April through October) when being outdoors for any length of time is miserable.

anonymousDan 2y ago
Yeah when I lived there as a kid the joke was that Houston has three seasons - Summer, July and August!
abathur 2y ago
> you still have to deal with Houston summers (April through October) when being outdoors for any length of time is miserable. This is a minor exaggeration. Pollen aside, April is generally fairly pleasant. May is more dicey, but it isn't necessarily miserable. (I've managed to work from a coffee shop patio at least a couple days this month without having to call it quits in the early afternoon.) We can even have pleasant if humid days as late as early June IME. But yes, summer can be rough. I generally say summer is 6 months when I'm speaking loosely to set context for someone who hasn't experienced it.
- abathur 2y ago
  On cue, I'm currently getting a late patio day on May 31st (and it's even chilly enough for goosebumps). A line of storms is pushing through this morning, so it was 67 out when I woke up at 7 and is still 68 now (almost 10:40).
fuzzfactor 2y ago
>Founded in the 1830s at the confluence of the Buffalo and White Oak bayous There are other bayous collecting runoff from other watersheds, and like others, these two streams running through central Houston have apparently become miles wider and dozens of feet deeper on a routine basis for many thousands of years. In Wikipedia, the 1873 aerial drawing of Houston shows there is only one thing in the picture; a flood plain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_map-Houston-1873.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Old_map-Houston-1873.jpg The developing Allen brothers probably didn't know it at the time, but the purpose of Houston was to sell "false estate" as if it was real estate.

aegypti 2y ago

This is literally an article about how infill/density became easier in Houston, removing the need to expand residential zoning outwards to flood plains and refinery backyards to continue growing.

ted_dunning 2y ago
Actually, it was an article about how they could increase housing density near existing refineries in the urban area and in already inhabited flood plains. There are 6 refineries that I found inside the highway 8 beltway in about 30 seconds. All of them have housing developments within 1000m. Two have houses within a few hundred meters.
- aegypti 2y ago
  The entire article’s text is about development in the inner loop. There are multiple pictures as well. But using the beltway which is 6x the area, the vast majority of development is still nowhere near a refinery, or on a 100 year flood plain.
  - banish-m4 2y ago
    Sounds like it could be almost livable if it weren't for the derechos and hurricanes. Meanwhile, Austin and other parts of the triangle are building like crazy in low-lying areas and near floodplains with massive tract home developments.
    - aegypti 2y ago
      You could live for the food alone, but between the humidity and Galveston for a beach it’s probably still debatable. Flooding is an issue but it isn’t existential for Austin/SA or DFW, and with the huge reforms in Austin recently a type of opt out style like the article is now there too that can compensate for sprawl. Worried about Corpus and RGV in the future though.