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This has nothing to do with this problem though - phones are pervasive among kids today, absent policy allowing teachers to take them away, there isn't anything

by Aloha 2y ago

This has nothing to do with this problem though - phones are pervasive among kids today, absent policy allowing teachers to take them away, there isn't anything you can do.

wannacboatmovie 2y ago
Rutherford says he was careful not to blame his students for their phone dependency. I remember a teacher in high school throwing a textbook at a student that wasn't paying attention. He paid attention after that. I suppose times and approaches to teaching have changed.
- Aloha 2y ago
  I was the kid who no one thought was paying attention, until I read back the last 3-5 min of conversation to the Teacher. I dont think you can enhance learning thru fear, there is no way that you get people to be more engaged and retain information presented in that environment.
- talldayo 2y ago
  Absent physical violence, I spent 180 days in lunch detention during middle school for refusing to do my math homework due to the marginal impact it had on my grade. Even after 2 trimesters away from my friends during lunch I refused to do the teacher's busywork, and they refused to give me my time back. It was a zero-sum solution for both of us (and a surprisingly childish response from an adult that ought to know better). Sometimes, students recognize the barriers around them and exploit them to their fullest potential. One student pays attention after getting the book thrown at them, another observes how the teacher aimed for the floor and tests their patience because they know they won't get hit no matter how many times they zone-out. It's disappointingly easy to bait educators into disproportionate escalation, in my problem-child experience.
  - tcbawo 2y ago
    > surprisingly childish response from an adult that ought to know better The lesson you learned from this experience was that the adult was being childish?
    - talldayo 2y ago
      I expected them fail me on the homework, as was fair. The assignment has a point-value, I showed up each morning with an empty notebook and requested a zero on the assignment instead of a late penalty. Homework was worth 15% of the final grade and I had no problem passing without any homework credit whatsoever. The lesson I learned is that if you beat certain people at their own game they will never let you live it down. Whether I was dysfunctional or not, their response didn't work and they refused to renege after months of failure. They failed as a teacher, when I hadn't failed as a student.
      - tcbawo 2y ago
        Do you think your teacher saw potential in you and was trying to get more from you? My biggest frustration with the public school near me is that they don’t care whether a student thrives, only that they don’t fail. Attempting to instill a work ethic as a teacher is admirable, but clearly didn’t work in your case. I could see how facing resistant students could grind the optimism and energy out of a teacher.
        jrs235 2y ago
        I share a similar experience and response to talldyo. The problem is "we" (talldyo and I) understood how to solve the problems (as proved by passing the tests) but were uninterested in wasting our time doing busy work. The teacher could have changed their grading to be something like 50% of the grade comes from homework and 50% from tests. Then I likely would have done the homework, while still being pissed because it's just "busy work". I prefer just taking quizzes and tests to determine grades and if I understand the material. How I learn and how much practice I need to get to understanding and being able to solve the problem should be no ones business but my own. If the teacher was prudent they would have just left talldyo alone. The teacher needlessly caused additional problems and pain and suffering.
banish-m4 2y ago
While true, it's a related dysfunction that damaged American education in profound ways. I went through an under-resourced education system with 50+ students per class and bused 3 hours per day to a school with gangs and drug problems because of my race. All the while, I was bored to tears with material already covered up to 2 years previously in private school. (Dad was a cheapskate and wanted more money for buying stereo equipment, and so Challenger had to go.)

by Aloha 2y ago

This has nothing to do with this problem though - phones are pervasive among kids today, absent policy allowing teachers to take them away, there isn't anything you can do.

wannacboatmovie 2y ago

Rutherford says he was careful not to blame his students for their phone dependency. I remember a teacher in high school throwing a textbook at a student that wasn't paying attention. He paid attention after that. I suppose times and approaches to teaching have changed.

Aloha 2y ago
I was the kid who no one thought was paying attention, until I read back the last 3-5 min of conversation to the Teacher. I dont think you can enhance learning thru fear, there is no way that you get people to be more engaged and retain information presented in that environment.
talldayo 2y ago
Absent physical violence, I spent 180 days in lunch detention during middle school for refusing to do my math homework due to the marginal impact it had on my grade. Even after 2 trimesters away from my friends during lunch I refused to do the teacher's busywork, and they refused to give me my time back. It was a zero-sum solution for both of us (and a surprisingly childish response from an adult that ought to know better). Sometimes, students recognize the barriers around them and exploit them to their fullest potential. One student pays attention after getting the book thrown at them, another observes how the teacher aimed for the floor and tests their patience because they know they won't get hit no matter how many times they zone-out. It's disappointingly easy to bait educators into disproportionate escalation, in my problem-child experience.
- tcbawo 2y ago
  > surprisingly childish response from an adult that ought to know better The lesson you learned from this experience was that the adult was being childish?
  - talldayo 2y ago
    I expected them fail me on the homework, as was fair. The assignment has a point-value, I showed up each morning with an empty notebook and requested a zero on the assignment instead of a late penalty. Homework was worth 15% of the final grade and I had no problem passing without any homework credit whatsoever. The lesson I learned is that if you beat certain people at their own game they will never let you live it down. Whether I was dysfunctional or not, their response didn't work and they refused to renege after months of failure. They failed as a teacher, when I hadn't failed as a student.
    - tcbawo 2y ago
      Do you think your teacher saw potential in you and was trying to get more from you? My biggest frustration with the public school near me is that they don’t care whether a student thrives, only that they don’t fail. Attempting to instill a work ethic as a teacher is admirable, but clearly didn’t work in your case. I could see how facing resistant students could grind the optimism and energy out of a teacher.
      - jrs235 2y ago
        I share a similar experience and response to talldyo. The problem is "we" (talldyo and I) understood how to solve the problems (as proved by passing the tests) but were uninterested in wasting our time doing busy work. The teacher could have changed their grading to be something like 50% of the grade comes from homework and 50% from tests. Then I likely would have done the homework, while still being pissed because it's just "busy work". I prefer just taking quizzes and tests to determine grades and if I understand the material. How I learn and how much practice I need to get to understanding and being able to solve the problem should be no ones business but my own. If the teacher was prudent they would have just left talldyo alone. The teacher needlessly caused additional problems and pain and suffering.

banish-m4 2y ago

While true, it's a related dysfunction that damaged American education in profound ways. I went through an under-resourced education system with 50+ students per class and bused 3 hours per day to a school with gangs and drug problems because of my race. All the while, I was bored to tears with material already covered up to 2 years previously in private school. (Dad was a cheapskate and wanted more money for buying stereo equipment, and so Challenger had to go.)