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> called for international governance of AGI before such calls were popular And immediately threatened to pull out of EU if such governance were ever put in pl

by troupo 2y ago

> called for international governance of AGI before such calls were popular And immediately threatened to pull out of EU if such governance were ever put in place > we have been putting in place the foundations needed for safe deployment of increasingly capable systems. Figuring out how to make a new technology safe for the first time isn't easy. Especially when "OpenAI" is anything but open. > This includes thoughtfulness around what they're connected to as they train, solutions to hard problems such as scalable oversight, and other new kinds of safety work Which EU demanded of them (disclose copyrighted sources, document foundational models etc.), and they threatened to pull out > We think that empirical understanding can help inform the way forward. We believe both in delivering on the tremendous Translation: "we're going to be as closed as possible and hopefully will have enough of a moat and enough of companies relying on us to remain relevant and indispensable"

m3kw9 2y ago
Translation: we put in these show “safe guards” to satisfy the law and people peoples nightmare after watching [your AI extinction movie here], but we already had enough safe guards to begin with. They also do not wish to die if you think they have no incentive to keep everyone safe.
- troupo 2y ago
  There's literally no chance of OpenAI being anywhere close to AGI, and they know it. There's literally no chance of doomsday scenarios, and they know it. However, they do know that AI/ML is used in many applications where mistakes are costly, they don't know how to properly deal with it and don't care as long as they can get people to use it. So they are paying little more than lip service to safety because they know no one will be able to verify their claims.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    What you're saying is what Yann LeCun says (and therefore presumably what he thinks), and appears to be what Facebook is doing by publishing their models (just like they appear to have paid little more than lip service to content moderation leading to them being named by the UN as having played a "determining role" in the Myanmar genocide). I know people at OpenAI, who have said "we should join the 'Pause AI' protest [outside our office]", so I have reason to think OpenAI is 100% sincere. They may also be wrong, I hope they are, but definitely 100% sincere.
    - troupo 2y ago
      Oh, some people at OpenAI may be 100% sincere. The org and leadership are anything but. After all, they need to make money somehow.
- protomolecule 2y ago
  > They also do not wish to die if you think they have no incentive to keep everyone safe. I wouldn't be so sure even about that.[0] That's Page but I wouldn't bet that Altman is any more sane. "Mr. Page, hampered for more than a decade by an unusual ailment in his vocal cords, described his vision of a digital utopia in a whisper. Humans would eventually merge with artificially intelligent machines, he said. One day there would be many kinds of intelligence competing for resources, and the best would win. If that happens, Mr. Musk said, we’re doomed. The machines will destroy humanity. With a rasp of frustration, Mr. Page insisted his utopia should be pursued. Finally he called Mr. Musk a “specieist,” a person who favors humans over the digital life-forms of the future." [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/03/technology/ai-openai-musk-page-altman.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/03/technology/ai-openai-musk...
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by troupo 2y ago

m3kw9 2y ago

Translation: we put in these show “safe guards” to satisfy the law and people peoples nightmare after watching [your AI extinction movie here], but we already had enough safe guards to begin with. They also do not wish to die if you think they have no incentive to keep everyone safe.

troupo 2y ago
There's literally no chance of OpenAI being anywhere close to AGI, and they know it. There's literally no chance of doomsday scenarios, and they know it. However, they do know that AI/ML is used in many applications where mistakes are costly, they don't know how to properly deal with it and don't care as long as they can get people to use it. So they are paying little more than lip service to safety because they know no one will be able to verify their claims.
- ben_w 2y ago
  What you're saying is what Yann LeCun says (and therefore presumably what he thinks), and appears to be what Facebook is doing by publishing their models (just like they appear to have paid little more than lip service to content moderation leading to them being named by the UN as having played a "determining role" in the Myanmar genocide). I know people at OpenAI, who have said "we should join the 'Pause AI' protest [outside our office]", so I have reason to think OpenAI is 100% sincere. They may also be wrong, I hope they are, but definitely 100% sincere.
  - troupo 2y ago
    Oh, some people at OpenAI may be 100% sincere. The org and leadership are anything but. After all, they need to make money somehow.
protomolecule 2y ago
> They also do not wish to die if you think they have no incentive to keep everyone safe. I wouldn't be so sure even about that.[0] That's Page but I wouldn't bet that Altman is any more sane. "Mr. Page, hampered for more than a decade by an unusual ailment in his vocal cords, described his vision of a digital utopia in a whisper. Humans would eventually merge with artificially intelligent machines, he said. One day there would be many kinds of intelligence competing for resources, and the best would win. If that happens, Mr. Musk said, we’re doomed. The machines will destroy humanity. With a rasp of frustration, Mr. Page insisted his utopia should be pursued. Finally he called Mr. Musk a “specieist,” a person who favors humans over the digital life-forms of the future." [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/03/technology/ai-openai-musk-page-altman.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/03/technology/ai-openai-musk...
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