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OpenAI is outputting the partially copyright-infringing works of their LLM for profit. How does that square?
by rcbdev 2y ago
OpenAI is outputting the partially copyright-infringing works of their LLM for profit. How does that square?
- throwaway2037 2y agoYou raise an interesting point. If more professional lawyers agreed with you, then why have we not seen a lawsuit from publishers against OpenAI?
- dgoldstein0 2y agoSome of them are suing https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/business/media/new-york-times-open-ai-microsoft-lawsuit.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/business/media/new-york-t... https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-newspapers-sue-openai-copyright-infringement-over-ai-training-2024-04-30/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-newspapers-sue-openai-copyr... https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/04/09/openai-lawsuit-regulation-lawyers/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/04/09/openai-... Some decided to make deals instead
- kmeisthax 2y agoThere are some lawsuits, especially in the very reflexively copyright-pilled industries. However, a good chunk of publishers aren't suing for self-interested reasons. There's a lot of people in the creative industry who see a machine that can cut artists out of the copyright bargain completely and are shouting "omg piracy is based now" because LLMs can spit out content faster and for free.
- KoolKat23 2y agoYou, the user, is inputting variables into their probability algorithm that's resulting in the copyright work. It's just a tool.
- DaSHacka 2y agoHow is it any different than training a model on content protected under an NDA and allowing access to users via a web-portal? What is the difference OpenAI has that lets them get away with, but not our hypothetical Mr. Smartass doing the same process trying to get around an NDA?
- KoolKat23 2y agoWell if OpenAI signed an NDA beforehand to not disclose certain training data it used, and then users actually do access this data, then yes it would be problematic for OpenAI, under the terms of their signed NDA.
- maeil 2y agoLet's say a torrent website asks the user through an LLM interface what kind of copyrighted content they want to download and then offers me links based on that, and makes money off of it. The user is "inputting variables into their probability algorithm that's resulting in the copyright work".
- KoolKat23 2y agoTheoretically a torrent website that does not distribute the copyright files themselves in anyway should be legal, unless there's a specific law for this (I'm unaware of any, but I may be wrong). They tend to try argue for conspiracy to commit copyright infringement, it's a tenuous case to make unless they can prove that was actually their intention. I think in most cases it's ISP/hosting terms and conditions and legal costs that lead to their demise. Your example of the model asking specifically "what copyrighted content would you like to download", kinda implies conspiracy to commit copyright infringement would be a valid charge.
- rcbdev 2y agoYes, a tool that they charge me money to use.
- KoolKat23 2y agoJust like any other tool that can be used to plagiarize, Photoshop, Word etc.