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the very notion of "IP" or "this idea is mine and therefore all copies of it owe me royalties" is absolute nonsense and while not great in normal circumstances,

the very notion of "IP" or "this idea is mine and therefore all copies of it owe me royalties" is absolute nonsense and while not great in normal circumstances, the coming of digital media and the internet make it 100% a bad thing to have because it breeds digital scarcity plagiarism is kind of silly. the only contribution from that mindset is that it allows for tracking of following the same ideas as explored by different people

surfingdino 2y ago
IP protection as an idea came about because creators had no way to financially exploit their creations. It is not a bad idea at its core. Creators have a choice of making their works available freely or under certain conditions. I am always in favour of the creator deciding how their work is shared, not those who want to use it. Scarcity creates value. Plagiarism is a not silly. Plagiarising other people's work is used as a shortcut to obtain employment, access, academic recognition, etc. on the basis of somebody else's work which is pure lying and deceit. That can land you in court. In the field of IT and software development in particular we had long and expensive court battles over a few lines of code. LLMs recombine code found on the internet without any care or attention paid to the licensing terms. The copyright to the output is magnanimously assigned to you and you are left holding the bag when litigation time comes. Based on past experience BSD are right to reject code generated with the help of LLMs, because there is no way of telling where the code came from and what future legal issues it may cause.
- hedora 2y ago
  Ignoring the legal issues, there are also ethical issues. The BSD crowd has always struck me as being thoughtful and principled. (vs., say, RedHat these days, which has decided to just violate the GPL en masse by banning people that redistribute source code).
  - ysofunny 2y ago
    BSD license is the most freedom encouraging license GPL made the mistake of "using the tools in the master's shed to fight the master" as they say; hence the FSF and the GNU project are not in a good path. Open source (IMO) is -- simply put, an idelogical attack against the freedom of software movements (in all their forms and means)
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    There were also cases of GPL fanboys relicensing BSD code as GPL.
  - JackSlateur 2y ago
    This is not a license violation per-se They must send the source to their clients. They have nothing obligations to keep all of their clients.

surfingdino 2y ago

IP protection as an idea came about because creators had no way to financially exploit their creations. It is not a bad idea at its core. Creators have a choice of making their works available freely or under certain conditions. I am always in favour of the creator deciding how their work is shared, not those who want to use it. Scarcity creates value. Plagiarism is a not silly. Plagiarising other people's work is used as a shortcut to obtain employment, access, academic recognition, etc. on the basis of somebody else's work which is pure lying and deceit. That can land you in court. In the field of IT and software development in particular we had long and expensive court battles over a few lines of code. LLMs recombine code found on the internet without any care or attention paid to the licensing terms. The copyright to the output is magnanimously assigned to you and you are left holding the bag when litigation time comes. Based on past experience BSD are right to reject code generated with the help of LLMs, because there is no way of telling where the code came from and what future legal issues it may cause.

hedora 2y ago
Ignoring the legal issues, there are also ethical issues. The BSD crowd has always struck me as being thoughtful and principled. (vs., say, RedHat these days, which has decided to just violate the GPL en masse by banning people that redistribute source code).
- ysofunny 2y ago
  BSD license is the most freedom encouraging license GPL made the mistake of "using the tools in the master's shed to fight the master" as they say; hence the FSF and the GNU project are not in a good path. Open source (IMO) is -- simply put, an idelogical attack against the freedom of software movements (in all their forms and means)
- surfingdino 2y ago
  There were also cases of GPL fanboys relicensing BSD code as GPL.
- JackSlateur 2y ago
  This is not a license violation per-se They must send the source to their clients. They have nothing obligations to keep all of their clients.