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And this is why other nations have gun control laws. I think the rest of us are continually scratching our heads at the proliferation of unregulated guns in th

And this is why other nations have gun control laws. I think the rest of us are continually scratching our heads at the proliferation of unregulated guns in the US when they fairly clearly cause so many obvious problems. The article skirts the issue just saying the city had noticed an increase in gun violence and was "galvanized" but then back away and later just talked about police budgets. Most of the rest of the world honestly finds this aspect of the US quite baffling.

apr 14y ago
The guy who was behind the trigger probably laughs at you and your gun control laws. In fact any laws.
- cluda01 14y ago
  If nobody had guns from whom would the outlaw purchase(or steal) them from?
  - apr 14y ago
    From whom they get guns in the UK? Demand will create supply. Drugs are banned, does it mean they are unobtainable?
  - anamax 14y ago
    > If nobody had guns from whom would the outlaw purchase(or steal) them from? Nobody? Not police? Not govt? How about folks who know how to use machine tools? (Guns are surprisingly low-tech.)
    - apr 14y ago
      Yep, people who are rooting for gun ban fail to realize that M1911 was designed and developed 100 years ago and it basically remains as modern as the rest of the modern handguns are. Sure there have been some improvements in manufacturing technology and material science since then that make it possible to manufacture a gun like that in any decent machine shop.
      - rdl 14y ago
        Ammunition is actually the limiting factor. Primers, especially, are difficult to produce even vaguely safely in anything less than a $50mm+ plant. Whereas I could easily make an automatic short barreled rifle using just equipment at many hackerspaces or machine shops.
- mindstab 14y ago
  That's a pretty narrow and shallow way to look at it. For one thing, over time guns would become harder to get. Fine some people will always brake the laws. But at least maybe school children would stop shooting each other to death in school then? And yes, it might make even the dumb, and gangsers think before drawing a gun in public and shooting away. Nothing will be perfect but I think looking at most other countries gun shooting statistics we can see it can greatly decrease it.
pcopley 14y ago
It's terrible that you can't even wait more than a few days before politicizing someone's senseless death. You are a disgusting human being.
- capthat 14y ago
  You need to calm down dude.
  - pcopley 14y ago
    I'm not entirely sure why you felt the need to make a fake account immediately before posting this, your only comment to date.
- mindstab 14y ago
  So when senseless atrocities are committed the proper response isn't outrage and attempts to fix problems but to sit by quietly and "respectfully"? Yes it's a damn tragedy he is dead. I'm pissed off and angry about it. Was it preventable? Quite possibly. Even sadder. But instead you say I should stand by quietly and watch as it happens again and again with regularity. It's a damn shame that taking steps to prevent deaths is such a political issue to some people :( What about the marches after Trevon Martin's death? Should they have stayed home and not "politicized" that either? What about genocides? Should we just be sad and stand by?
  - anamax 14y ago
    > What about the marches after Trevon Martin's death? Should they have stayed home and not "politicized" that either? What about them? Based on what's come out since, it's unclear why lynching Zimmerman (who is part black) is so laudable.
- mindstab 14y ago
  Also no one got mad at the guy mentioning the police budget keeps getting cut presumably suggesting increased police funding might help. Public allocation of funds and public policing seems to fall under political discourse but no one touched off on him. It seems to indicate the issue isn't politicizing the the death, it is the issue of gun control in specific that bothers people deeply :/
viggity 14y ago
guns kill people just like cars drive drunk and forks make people fat. Mexico has super strict gun laws, read the news and you'll see how well that is working out for them.
- mfringel 14y ago
  A gun is a force multiplier that makes it easier to kill someone. A car is a force multiplier that makes it easier for a drunk person to kill someone. A fork is a non-sequitur placed presumably to create a Voltron-like strawman out of a gun, car and fork.
- zbuc 14y ago
  That's kind of disingenuous, Mexico has massive corruption problems and a massive, semi-open black market.
  - anamax 14y ago
    > That's kind of disingenuous, Mexico has massive corruption problems and a massive, semi-open black market. reply And the US doesn't? Where do you think that the recreational drugs come from?
    - zbuc 14y ago
      Not to the degree Mexico has. And drugs are entirely different from guns -- drugs are something an individual takes that affects them; guns are bought by those who either feel the need for defense or the need to kill people easier.
      - anamax 14y ago
        > And drugs are entirely different from guns Not from the supplier's point of view. (There is one difference - guns aren't consumables. Ignoring that, the US could supply a gun per crime with less than 1% of the suspected marijuana smuggling volume.) FWIW, I've been offered illegal guns in both England and Japan. "You" may not know where to find them (but I suspect that you're lying to yourself about that) but anyone who does can.
simonh 14y ago
I understand the history behind it, but It's not 1787 anymore. I find it amusing that pro-gun people point out Mexico and Colombia have stricter gun control laws but worse violence problems. Look at Somalia and Afghanistan for counter-examples. Armed societies are polite societies? Realy? Anyway, as a Brit really not my problem except for on my occasional visit states-side.
essayist 14y ago
Think of the current state of gun ownership, laws, and culture in the United States as the legacy system. Many don't like it (I certainly don't), but "be like Europe" is not a viable migration strategy without a lot more detail. How would we (in the US) get from where we are to where, say, the UK is with respect to gun use, ownership, and laws?
bugmenot 14y ago
5 will get you 10 that the shooting is drug related. If the US stopped the war on drugs many of the firearms related crimes would disappear.
paulhauggis 14y ago
This is also why we should keep all drugs illegal. If you are behind the wheel of a car, you could kill someone!

apr 14y ago

The guy who was behind the trigger probably laughs at you and your gun control laws. In fact any laws.

cluda01 14y ago
If nobody had guns from whom would the outlaw purchase(or steal) them from?
- apr 14y ago
  From whom they get guns in the UK? Demand will create supply. Drugs are banned, does it mean they are unobtainable?
- anamax 14y ago
  > If nobody had guns from whom would the outlaw purchase(or steal) them from? Nobody? Not police? Not govt? How about folks who know how to use machine tools? (Guns are surprisingly low-tech.)
  - apr 14y ago
    Yep, people who are rooting for gun ban fail to realize that M1911 was designed and developed 100 years ago and it basically remains as modern as the rest of the modern handguns are. Sure there have been some improvements in manufacturing technology and material science since then that make it possible to manufacture a gun like that in any decent machine shop.
    - rdl 14y ago
      Ammunition is actually the limiting factor. Primers, especially, are difficult to produce even vaguely safely in anything less than a $50mm+ plant. Whereas I could easily make an automatic short barreled rifle using just equipment at many hackerspaces or machine shops.
mindstab 14y ago
That's a pretty narrow and shallow way to look at it. For one thing, over time guns would become harder to get. Fine some people will always brake the laws. But at least maybe school children would stop shooting each other to death in school then? And yes, it might make even the dumb, and gangsers think before drawing a gun in public and shooting away. Nothing will be perfect but I think looking at most other countries gun shooting statistics we can see it can greatly decrease it.

pcopley 14y ago

It's terrible that you can't even wait more than a few days before politicizing someone's senseless death. You are a disgusting human being.

capthat 14y ago
You need to calm down dude.
- pcopley 14y ago
  I'm not entirely sure why you felt the need to make a fake account immediately before posting this, your only comment to date.
mindstab 14y ago
So when senseless atrocities are committed the proper response isn't outrage and attempts to fix problems but to sit by quietly and "respectfully"? Yes it's a damn tragedy he is dead. I'm pissed off and angry about it. Was it preventable? Quite possibly. Even sadder. But instead you say I should stand by quietly and watch as it happens again and again with regularity. It's a damn shame that taking steps to prevent deaths is such a political issue to some people :( What about the marches after Trevon Martin's death? Should they have stayed home and not "politicized" that either? What about genocides? Should we just be sad and stand by?
- anamax 14y ago
  > What about the marches after Trevon Martin's death? Should they have stayed home and not "politicized" that either? What about them? Based on what's come out since, it's unclear why lynching Zimmerman (who is part black) is so laudable.
mindstab 14y ago
Also no one got mad at the guy mentioning the police budget keeps getting cut presumably suggesting increased police funding might help. Public allocation of funds and public policing seems to fall under political discourse but no one touched off on him. It seems to indicate the issue isn't politicizing the the death, it is the issue of gun control in specific that bothers people deeply :/

viggity 14y ago

guns kill people just like cars drive drunk and forks make people fat. Mexico has super strict gun laws, read the news and you'll see how well that is working out for them.

mfringel 14y ago
A gun is a force multiplier that makes it easier to kill someone. A car is a force multiplier that makes it easier for a drunk person to kill someone. A fork is a non-sequitur placed presumably to create a Voltron-like strawman out of a gun, car and fork.
zbuc 14y ago
That's kind of disingenuous, Mexico has massive corruption problems and a massive, semi-open black market.
- anamax 14y ago
  > That's kind of disingenuous, Mexico has massive corruption problems and a massive, semi-open black market. reply And the US doesn't? Where do you think that the recreational drugs come from?
  - zbuc 14y ago
    Not to the degree Mexico has. And drugs are entirely different from guns -- drugs are something an individual takes that affects them; guns are bought by those who either feel the need for defense or the need to kill people easier.
    - anamax 14y ago
      > And drugs are entirely different from guns Not from the supplier's point of view. (There is one difference - guns aren't consumables. Ignoring that, the US could supply a gun per crime with less than 1% of the suspected marijuana smuggling volume.) FWIW, I've been offered illegal guns in both England and Japan. "You" may not know where to find them (but I suspect that you're lying to yourself about that) but anyone who does can.

simonh 14y ago

I understand the history behind it, but It's not 1787 anymore. I find it amusing that pro-gun people point out Mexico and Colombia have stricter gun control laws but worse violence problems. Look at Somalia and Afghanistan for counter-examples. Armed societies are polite societies? Realy? Anyway, as a Brit really not my problem except for on my occasional visit states-side.

essayist 14y ago

Think of the current state of gun ownership, laws, and culture in the United States as the legacy system. Many don't like it (I certainly don't), but "be like Europe" is not a viable migration strategy without a lot more detail. How would we (in the US) get from where we are to where, say, the UK is with respect to gun use, ownership, and laws?

bugmenot 14y ago

5 will get you 10 that the shooting is drug related. If the US stopped the war on drugs many of the firearms related crimes would disappear.

paulhauggis 14y ago

This is also why we should keep all drugs illegal. If you are behind the wheel of a car, you could kill someone!