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i don’t think we need to respect these elite multi millionaires for not becoming even grander multi millionaires / billionaires

llamaimperative 2y ago
I think you oughta respect everyone who does the right thing, not for any mushy feel good reason but because it encourages other people to do more of the right things. That’s good.
whimsicalism 2y ago
is having money morally wrong?
- r2_pilot 2y ago
  Depends on how you get it
  - AndrewKemendo 2y ago
    Exactly. There’s no ethical way to gain ownership of a billion dollars (there’s likely some dollar threshold way less than 1B where p(ethical_gains) can be approximated to 0) A lot of people got screwed along the way
    - whimsicalism 2y ago
      i think a lot of people have been able to become billionaires simply by building something that was initially significantly undervalued and then became very highly valued, no 'screwing'. there is such thing as a win-win and frankly these win-wins account for most albeit not all value creation in the world. you do not have to screw other people to get rich. whether people should be able to hold on to that billion is a different question
      - fragmede 2y ago
        I wouldn't know, I'm not a billionaire. But when you hear about Amazon warehouse workers peeing into bottles because they they don't have long enough bathroom breaks, or Walmart workers not having healthcare because they're intentionally scheduled for 39.5 hours, it's hard to see that anyone could get to a billion without screwing someone over. But like I said, I'm not a billionaire.
        whimsicalism 2y ago
        Who did JK Rowling screw? (putting aside her recent social issues after she already became a billionaire) Having these discussions in this current cultural moment is difficult. I'm no lover of billionaires, but to say that every billionaire screwed people over relies on esoteric interpretations of value and who produces it. These interpretations (like the labor-theory of value) are alien to the vast majority of people.
        fragmede 2y ago
        aside from the way she's terrible, she's not terrible? the wonderful thing any capitalism is that you can absolve yourself of guilt by having someone else do your dirty work for you. are you so sure every single seamstress that made clothes and stuffed animals, and the workers at the toy factories, and every single person involved with the making of the movies for the Harry Potter deals she licensed her work to were well compensated and treated well? that's not directly on her, but at least some of her money comes from there
        computershit 2y ago
        How is JK Rowling terrible, exactly?
        fragmede 2y ago
        I was referring to the parenthetical
  - space_oddity 2y ago
    And how you use it...
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llamaimperative 2y ago

I think you oughta respect everyone who does the right thing, not for any mushy feel good reason but because it encourages other people to do more of the right things. That’s good.

whimsicalism 2y ago

is having money morally wrong?

r2_pilot 2y ago
Depends on how you get it
- AndrewKemendo 2y ago
  Exactly. There’s no ethical way to gain ownership of a billion dollars (there’s likely some dollar threshold way less than 1B where p(ethical_gains) can be approximated to 0) A lot of people got screwed along the way
  - whimsicalism 2y ago
    i think a lot of people have been able to become billionaires simply by building something that was initially significantly undervalued and then became very highly valued, no 'screwing'. there is such thing as a win-win and frankly these win-wins account for most albeit not all value creation in the world. you do not have to screw other people to get rich. whether people should be able to hold on to that billion is a different question
    - fragmede 2y ago
      I wouldn't know, I'm not a billionaire. But when you hear about Amazon warehouse workers peeing into bottles because they they don't have long enough bathroom breaks, or Walmart workers not having healthcare because they're intentionally scheduled for 39.5 hours, it's hard to see that anyone could get to a billion without screwing someone over. But like I said, I'm not a billionaire.
      - whimsicalism 2y ago
        Who did JK Rowling screw? (putting aside her recent social issues after she already became a billionaire) Having these discussions in this current cultural moment is difficult. I'm no lover of billionaires, but to say that every billionaire screwed people over relies on esoteric interpretations of value and who produces it. These interpretations (like the labor-theory of value) are alien to the vast majority of people.
        fragmede 2y ago
        aside from the way she's terrible, she's not terrible? the wonderful thing any capitalism is that you can absolve yourself of guilt by having someone else do your dirty work for you. are you so sure every single seamstress that made clothes and stuffed animals, and the workers at the toy factories, and every single person involved with the making of the movies for the Harry Potter deals she licensed her work to were well compensated and treated well? that's not directly on her, but at least some of her money comes from there
        computershit 2y ago
        How is JK Rowling terrible, exactly?
        fragmede 2y ago
        I was referring to the parenthetical
- space_oddity 2y ago
  And how you use it...

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