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No mention of the leaked AirPlay private key that they're using to emulate an authorized AirPlay receiver. Very disingenuous on their part to pretend that they

by bgentry 14y ago

No mention of the leaked AirPlay private key that they're using to emulate an authorized AirPlay receiver. Very disingenuous on their part to pretend that they have no idea why Apple has pulled the app. At the very least they can acknowledge that it's in there but make a case that it is in no way a violation of the App Store Guidelines.

ianferrel 14y ago
Not as disingenuous as Apple not just stating that. It seems unreasonable to hold RogueAmoeba to the standard of "Apple says you did something wrong: list all the things that you think they might disapprove of".
- bradleyland 14y ago
  Not saying I agree with the way they run the app store, but their behavior is, at least, predictable. We all know that licenses and agreements are unwieldy and quickly become incomprehensible when every edge case is covered. Apple's stance is, and always has been, that they have a specific vision for iOS applications, and they'll adapt the license agreement to adjust to "workarounds". This is an effort to avoid an unwieldy license, and I'll give them credit for that at least. Again, not saying I agree, but look at what's probably going on. Apple uses the broadest possible interpretation of their ownership of AirPlay, including the protocol and any hardware that speaks it. All devices that work with AirPlay are licensed by Apple. Rogue Amoeba released an app that, while not specifically violating Apple's terms as written, is certainly implementing a technology in a way that is inconsistent with the way everyone else uses it (by licensing it from Apple). Apple wants developers to innovate (whatever that means) on their platform, but only strictly within the boundaries of their vision for the platform. It's a glaring contradiction that has existed for a long time. However, I don't know that there are any laws against it. Apple doesn't have a monopoly, so there's always the option to take your money elsewhere. Many people are.
mikeash 14y ago
It seems deeply unfair to me to criticize them for not engaging in baseless speculation beyond simply providing the facts.
- bgentry 14y ago
  It's not baseless speculation. There is no other reason for the app to have been pulled, and a similar app has been pulled for the same reason.
  - mikeash 14y ago
    No other reason? This is Apple we're talking about. This very same app got rejected and sat in limbo for weeks a couple of years ago for the heinous crime of transmitting app and computer icons from a Mac and displaying them on the iPhone. Predicting what Apple will find fault with is really tough. Just because tons of random internet commenters feel comfortable with speculating doesn't mean these guys should.
    - pooriaazimi 14y ago
      They've changed a lot since then. Not trying to defend Apple (I disagree with a lot of what they do on the App Store), but I give them credit for learning from their mistakes (I think they need to reject more crappy/scammy apps with false advertisements though - like this one: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/record-call/id480526628?mt=8 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/record-call/id480526628?mt=8 )
      - mikeash 14y ago
        Changed a lot, maybe, but I don't know about improving much. I still hear constantly about stupid app rejections, and I see no reason to assume that pulling this app from the store has to be motivated by a reason that outsiders would consider sane.

by bgentry 14y ago

ianferrel 14y ago

Not as disingenuous as Apple not just stating that. It seems unreasonable to hold RogueAmoeba to the standard of "Apple says you did something wrong: list all the things that you think they might disapprove of".

bradleyland 14y ago
Not saying I agree with the way they run the app store, but their behavior is, at least, predictable. We all know that licenses and agreements are unwieldy and quickly become incomprehensible when every edge case is covered. Apple's stance is, and always has been, that they have a specific vision for iOS applications, and they'll adapt the license agreement to adjust to "workarounds". This is an effort to avoid an unwieldy license, and I'll give them credit for that at least. Again, not saying I agree, but look at what's probably going on. Apple uses the broadest possible interpretation of their ownership of AirPlay, including the protocol and any hardware that speaks it. All devices that work with AirPlay are licensed by Apple. Rogue Amoeba released an app that, while not specifically violating Apple's terms as written, is certainly implementing a technology in a way that is inconsistent with the way everyone else uses it (by licensing it from Apple). Apple wants developers to innovate (whatever that means) on their platform, but only strictly within the boundaries of their vision for the platform. It's a glaring contradiction that has existed for a long time. However, I don't know that there are any laws against it. Apple doesn't have a monopoly, so there's always the option to take your money elsewhere. Many people are.

mikeash 14y ago

It seems deeply unfair to me to criticize them for not engaging in baseless speculation beyond simply providing the facts.

bgentry 14y ago
It's not baseless speculation. There is no other reason for the app to have been pulled, and a similar app has been pulled for the same reason.
- mikeash 14y ago
  No other reason? This is Apple we're talking about. This very same app got rejected and sat in limbo for weeks a couple of years ago for the heinous crime of transmitting app and computer icons from a Mac and displaying them on the iPhone. Predicting what Apple will find fault with is really tough. Just because tons of random internet commenters feel comfortable with speculating doesn't mean these guys should.
  - pooriaazimi 14y ago
    They've changed a lot since then. Not trying to defend Apple (I disagree with a lot of what they do on the App Store), but I give them credit for learning from their mistakes (I think they need to reject more crappy/scammy apps with false advertisements though - like this one: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/record-call/id480526628?mt=8 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/record-call/id480526628?mt=8 )
    - mikeash 14y ago
      Changed a lot, maybe, but I don't know about improving much. I still hear constantly about stupid app rejections, and I see no reason to assume that pulling this app from the store has to be motivated by a reason that outsiders would consider sane.