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I don’t understand why SSD’s or other storage hardware wouldn’t be formatted when you perform a “factory reset”. It seems such a quick, safe and good thing to d

I don’t understand why SSD’s or other storage hardware wouldn’t be formatted when you perform a “factory reset”. It seems such a quick, safe and good thing to do, no? Also, if you delete the decryption key of the specific storage volume (and have no way to recalculate the same key) then it should be impossible to access deleted content, no? This all reads as massive design flaws. Or possibly a nation state forced Apple into technically bad practice to be able to get to deleted files anyways ?

taylodl 2y ago
> This all reads as massive design flaws. Design flaws massive enough to cause me to reconsider the entire platform - this coming from someone who's been an iPhone user since 2010. This is like Cyber Security 101 stuff they completely screwed the pooch on. Makes you wonder what other massive design flaws are lurking?
Someone 2y ago
> I don’t understand why SSD’s or other storage hardware wouldn’t be formatted when you perform a “factory reset”. It seems such a quick, safe and good thing to do, no? Formatting can be fairly quick, but it doesn’t overwrite all data on a disk. Wiping definitely isn’t quick on “other storage hardware” and may not be that quick on SSDs. Luckily, as you indicate, there’s an easy solution: always encrypt all data on disk and, before reformatting, destroy the key. As to this issue: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Because of that, I don’t believe this claim yet. If it is true that photos resurface on a device that was factory reset, my money would not be on the photos surviving on the device, but on the photos getting redownloaded from iCloud.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> Also, if you delete the decryption key of the specific storage volume (and have no way to recalculate the same key) then it should be impossible to access deleted content, no? That's what's odd to me - I was under the impression that Apple always encrypted everything on iOS devices, so I don't understand how it's possible to screw this up without doing something negligent. (And Apple being negligent would be surprising)

taylodl 2y ago

> This all reads as massive design flaws. Design flaws massive enough to cause me to reconsider the entire platform - this coming from someone who's been an iPhone user since 2010. This is like Cyber Security 101 stuff they completely screwed the pooch on. Makes you wonder what other massive design flaws are lurking?

Someone 2y ago

> I don’t understand why SSD’s or other storage hardware wouldn’t be formatted when you perform a “factory reset”. It seems such a quick, safe and good thing to do, no? Formatting can be fairly quick, but it doesn’t overwrite all data on a disk. Wiping definitely isn’t quick on “other storage hardware” and may not be that quick on SSDs. Luckily, as you indicate, there’s an easy solution: always encrypt all data on disk and, before reformatting, destroy the key. As to this issue: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Because of that, I don’t believe this claim yet. If it is true that photos resurface on a device that was factory reset, my money would not be on the photos surviving on the device, but on the photos getting redownloaded from iCloud.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

> Also, if you delete the decryption key of the specific storage volume (and have no way to recalculate the same key) then it should be impossible to access deleted content, no? That's what's odd to me - I was under the impression that Apple always encrypted everything on iOS devices, so I don't understand how it's possible to screw this up without doing something negligent. (And Apple being negligent would be surprising)