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> I used to enjoy hearing things like this, but it feels better suited to previous generations than today's. In this day and age I feel it's just cruel. You hav

by tivert 2y ago

> I used to enjoy hearing things like this, but it feels better suited to previous generations than today's. In this day and age I feel it's just cruel. You have kids and young adults literally questioning their life's worth and committing suicide over the stress school and the prospects of the future puts over them. But doesn't your response actually create the issue you're responding to? 10 Students coddled, lack resilience because they experienced few setbacks and allowed to weasel out of anything, so they overreact to any setbacks they do encounter. 20 Coddle students more, expose them to fewer setbacks and looser standards. 30 GOTO 10

dataflow 2y ago
Any measure less severe than an F is too much coddling in your book? Is your perspective that suicide rates are high because kids aren't getting enough failing grades due to typos?
- WalterBright 2y ago
  People who commit suicide over an F on a test are in great need of mental health care far beyond what a professor could provide.
  - dataflow 2y ago
    > People who commit suicide over an F on a test are in great need of mental health care far beyond what a professor could provide. Nobody is asking professors to provide anything. The ask is that they don't go out of their way to pile on extra cruel punishments on already-stressed students for typos. That's beyond the ability of a professor? What the heck are all the other ones doing then?
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      There's nothing cruel about notifying students at the very first class of the term that they'll need to spell "business" correctly. Those that cannot handle it have plenty of time to drop the class. If the requirements of college are too stressful, 1. drop out and try something simpler 2. put in a lot more time studying I had a lot of stress in college, to the point of abdominal pain, and picked option 2. It never occurred to me to demand easier coursework.
- tivert 2y ago
  > Any measure less severe than an F is too much coddling in your book? Is your perspective that suicide rates are high because kids aren't getting enough failing grades due to typos? You're twisting my words, and I didn't say any of that. My point was that if it's "better suited to previous generations than today's," it's probably due to today's generation being over-protected to the point were they can't handle a failing grade on a paper. Avoiding that kind of thing more will just make them even less capable of handling it. And honestly thinking about it a bit more, "failing grades due to typos" may actually be a fairly ego-preserving way to get a kid exposure to the experience that an F isn't the end of the world, and they can recover from it. That kind of grade couldn't reasonably be interpreted as the kid being judged incapable of good work.

by tivert 2y ago

dataflow 2y ago

Any measure less severe than an F is too much coddling in your book? Is your perspective that suicide rates are high because kids aren't getting enough failing grades due to typos?

WalterBright 2y ago
People who commit suicide over an F on a test are in great need of mental health care far beyond what a professor could provide.
- dataflow 2y ago
  > People who commit suicide over an F on a test are in great need of mental health care far beyond what a professor could provide. Nobody is asking professors to provide anything. The ask is that they don't go out of their way to pile on extra cruel punishments on already-stressed students for typos. That's beyond the ability of a professor? What the heck are all the other ones doing then?
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    There's nothing cruel about notifying students at the very first class of the term that they'll need to spell "business" correctly. Those that cannot handle it have plenty of time to drop the class. If the requirements of college are too stressful, 1. drop out and try something simpler 2. put in a lot more time studying I had a lot of stress in college, to the point of abdominal pain, and picked option 2. It never occurred to me to demand easier coursework.
tivert 2y ago
> Any measure less severe than an F is too much coddling in your book? Is your perspective that suicide rates are high because kids aren't getting enough failing grades due to typos? You're twisting my words, and I didn't say any of that. My point was that if it's "better suited to previous generations than today's," it's probably due to today's generation being over-protected to the point were they can't handle a failing grade on a paper. Avoiding that kind of thing more will just make them even less capable of handling it. And honestly thinking about it a bit more, "failing grades due to typos" may actually be a fairly ego-preserving way to get a kid exposure to the experience that an F isn't the end of the world, and they can recover from it. That kind of grade couldn't reasonably be interpreted as the kid being judged incapable of good work.