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> Just because you've sold people drinks doesn't mean you understand why people buy them. I think you probably don't given you think this weird gel stuff could

> Just because you've sold people drinks doesn't mean you understand why people buy them. I think you probably don't given you think this weird gel stuff could ever be popular. A) Saying that as a decades-long professional in this business that I don't understand people's motivation for purchasing the product is pretty ridiculous. It's not like I was a distiller-- understanding why, when, where and how people consumed alcohol was why I was successful in that business. Beyond that, monitoring peoples alcohol consumption is a critical part of the job. B) As I said, I spent over a decade as a 4-5 night per week regular in bars. C) As a bouncer, I specifically engaged with the way people use alcohol and interact in situations not just selling it to them. I deeply understand what goes on on both sides of the bar. It was my profession and hobby. > An alcoholic drink without alcohol is just juice, the fact that there is no demand for juice at bars suggests that there would also be little demand for non-alcoholic drinks. > Alcohol-free cocktails exist. They are called "mocktails" and are very popular if I understand correctly. I think we're just about done here. Have a nice day.

James_K 2y ago
> Alcohol-free cocktails exist. They are called "mocktails" and are very popular if I understand correctly Yeah, sold mostly at cafés, not pubs. And there's a heck of a gap between those and the enzymatic gel you are proposing people eat.
- chefandy 2y ago
  > Yeah, sold mostly at cafés, not pubs. Sorry-- you're just completely, factually wrong. It's not just the market where I am, either. I just did a google search for "best mocktails in [New York/London/Paris/Los Angeles]" and every one of the top articles almost exclusively highlighted bars or restaurants with bars-- all establishments that primarily serve alcoholic cocktails. If that's not true where you are, where you are is not representative. If you don't believe me, Google "why do people drink mocktails" and honestly consider if your assumptions match your research.
  - James_K 2y ago
    Google listicles are not research. > why do people drink mocktails Because they taste good. Does this gel taste good? Probably not. It is fundamentally unpleasant, pointless, and strange. It solves a problem that has better solutions everyone is familiar with. It offers people nothing but discomfort and abnormality, and worse most people don't even understand what it does. It is perhaps the epitome of an unmarketable product.
    - chefandy 2y ago
      Well, you seem really committed to not challenging your assumption that your perspective on this is universal despite my presenting plenty of evidence to the contrary. I've explained my expertise and shown you how to confirm my understanding of the topic with entirely unrelated sources, and you've inexplicably disregarded both. If you think that your understanding of this issue is somehow reflects reality more accurately than stacks of articles from food and beverage magazines that literally say the opposite, you've clearly already reached your conclusion and aren't entertaining any contrary information. There's obviously no productive path for this conversation to continue. I really hope you reflect on whether you're more interested in being right, or feeling right, because the difference is consequential.
      - James_K 2y ago
        > shown you how to confirm my understanding of the topic with entirely unrelated sources You told me to Google it. I'll make a guess that you aren't the academic type, but trust me when I say that generally isn't accepted as a source. > I really hope you reflect on whether you're more interested in being right, or feeling right, because the difference is consequential. And what's brilliant is that I can both be and feel correct in the knowledge that this stuff will never be popular. You'd struggle to give it away for free, let alone get people to pay for it. > you aren't entertaining any contrary information I've entertained plenty of contrary information and explained why I don't believe it. You've addressed almost nothing I've said except by making spurious claims that you working as a bartender more than half a decade ago somehow means you are psychically in tune with people, and they all went to eat weird anti-alcohol jelly. I really hope you can reflect on how to make actually convincing arguments for your perspective instead of just calling people stupid and flaunting your """experience""" while ignoring everything you are told.

James_K 2y ago

> Alcohol-free cocktails exist. They are called "mocktails" and are very popular if I understand correctly Yeah, sold mostly at cafés, not pubs. And there's a heck of a gap between those and the enzymatic gel you are proposing people eat.

chefandy 2y ago
> Yeah, sold mostly at cafés, not pubs. Sorry-- you're just completely, factually wrong. It's not just the market where I am, either. I just did a google search for "best mocktails in [New York/London/Paris/Los Angeles]" and every one of the top articles almost exclusively highlighted bars or restaurants with bars-- all establishments that primarily serve alcoholic cocktails. If that's not true where you are, where you are is not representative. If you don't believe me, Google "why do people drink mocktails" and honestly consider if your assumptions match your research.
- James_K 2y ago
  Google listicles are not research. > why do people drink mocktails Because they taste good. Does this gel taste good? Probably not. It is fundamentally unpleasant, pointless, and strange. It solves a problem that has better solutions everyone is familiar with. It offers people nothing but discomfort and abnormality, and worse most people don't even understand what it does. It is perhaps the epitome of an unmarketable product.
  - chefandy 2y ago
    Well, you seem really committed to not challenging your assumption that your perspective on this is universal despite my presenting plenty of evidence to the contrary. I've explained my expertise and shown you how to confirm my understanding of the topic with entirely unrelated sources, and you've inexplicably disregarded both. If you think that your understanding of this issue is somehow reflects reality more accurately than stacks of articles from food and beverage magazines that literally say the opposite, you've clearly already reached your conclusion and aren't entertaining any contrary information. There's obviously no productive path for this conversation to continue. I really hope you reflect on whether you're more interested in being right, or feeling right, because the difference is consequential.
    - James_K 2y ago
      > shown you how to confirm my understanding of the topic with entirely unrelated sources You told me to Google it. I'll make a guess that you aren't the academic type, but trust me when I say that generally isn't accepted as a source. > I really hope you reflect on whether you're more interested in being right, or feeling right, because the difference is consequential. And what's brilliant is that I can both be and feel correct in the knowledge that this stuff will never be popular. You'd struggle to give it away for free, let alone get people to pay for it. > you aren't entertaining any contrary information I've entertained plenty of contrary information and explained why I don't believe it. You've addressed almost nothing I've said except by making spurious claims that you working as a bartender more than half a decade ago somehow means you are psychically in tune with people, and they all went to eat weird anti-alcohol jelly. I really hope you can reflect on how to make actually convincing arguments for your perspective instead of just calling people stupid and flaunting your """experience""" while ignoring everything you are told.