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I used to enjoy hearing things like this, but it feels better suited to previous generations than today's. In this day and age I feel it's just cruel. You have

I used to enjoy hearing things like this, but it feels better suited to previous generations than today's. In this day and age I feel it's just cruel. You have kids and young adults literally questioning their life's worth and committing suicide over the stress school and the prospects of the future puts over them. Is it really worth hitting someone with a hammer just because the poor soul didn't quite hit the keyboard hard enough to get an apostrophe to appear on the screen that 1 time? The higher the stakes, the more careful anyone will be, but surely that's not a license to increase them arbitrarily?

WalterBright 2y ago
This was college, not kindergarten. Note that the students did not have any problem with those requirements, and his classes were full.
- dataflow 2y ago
  > This was college, not kindergarten Were you under the impression it's kindergarteners who are committing suicide?
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    A college cannot operate under the presumption that A's must be handed out so someone doesn't commit suicide.
    - dataflow 2y ago
      Nobody was asking for A's to be handed out. Why the constant replies with strawmen? I'm not going to keep continuing.
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        What's the minimum grade you think should be handed out in order to maintain the mental health of students?
tivert 2y ago
> I used to enjoy hearing things like this, but it feels better suited to previous generations than today's. In this day and age I feel it's just cruel. You have kids and young adults literally questioning their life's worth and committing suicide over the stress school and the prospects of the future puts over them. But doesn't your response actually create the issue you're responding to? 10 Students coddled, lack resilience because they experienced few setbacks and allowed to weasel out of anything, so they overreact to any setbacks they do encounter. 20 Coddle students more, expose them to fewer setbacks and looser standards. 30 GOTO 10
- dataflow 2y ago
  Any measure less severe than an F is too much coddling in your book? Is your perspective that suicide rates are high because kids aren't getting enough failing grades due to typos?
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    People who commit suicide over an F on a test are in great need of mental health care far beyond what a professor could provide.
    - dataflow 2y ago
      > People who commit suicide over an F on a test are in great need of mental health care far beyond what a professor could provide. Nobody is asking professors to provide anything. The ask is that they don't go out of their way to pile on extra cruel punishments on already-stressed students for typos. That's beyond the ability of a professor? What the heck are all the other ones doing then?
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        There's nothing cruel about notifying students at the very first class of the term that they'll need to spell "business" correctly. Those that cannot handle it have plenty of time to drop the class. If the requirements of college are too stressful, 1. drop out and try something simpler 2. put in a lot more time studying I had a lot of stress in college, to the point of abdominal pain, and picked option 2. It never occurred to me to demand easier coursework.
mamcx 2y ago
Looking back, all the best professors I have were one of 2: - The "Sergeant" - The "Actual carpenter" The "Sergeant" is somebody who HAS a disciplined way of working and still a minimal yet consistent set of rules for their students. You learn that you can't weasel your way with him. However, you never worry about being mistreated or facing injustice (which sounds ironic because "Sergeant" screams and all that, but is not mistreating you but hammering into you discipline) The "Sergeant" TRULY CARE about you. And that means it will not allow you to "go to war" if you are lacking! The opposite of it is "THE BULLY", and he after you, period. ---- The "Actual carpenter" is somebody who teaches his actual experience working. It will not just explain the theory of "the chair", HE HAS BUILD A CHAIR BEFORE, and it will teach you that. He really can answer 'What is the point of this?' The opposite of it is "THE PRETENDER", who has no idea of how to make a chair but certainly has a strong opinion of how to make one. ---- People that have not experienced the good version of the "old ways" are terrified of "discipline and hard work". My grandmother was a "Sergeant". You NEVER mess with her. How many times do she hit me or abuse me? zero. A good "Sergeant" does not need to. She only needs to make an intense look at me (or anybody else btw), and that is all.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  Haha, my father was able to punish me with simply a look that said "I'm disappointed in you."

WalterBright 2y ago

This was college, not kindergarten. Note that the students did not have any problem with those requirements, and his classes were full.

dataflow 2y ago
> This was college, not kindergarten Were you under the impression it's kindergarteners who are committing suicide?
- WalterBright 2y ago
  A college cannot operate under the presumption that A's must be handed out so someone doesn't commit suicide.
  - dataflow 2y ago
    Nobody was asking for A's to be handed out. Why the constant replies with strawmen? I'm not going to keep continuing.
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      What's the minimum grade you think should be handed out in order to maintain the mental health of students?

tivert 2y ago

> I used to enjoy hearing things like this, but it feels better suited to previous generations than today's. In this day and age I feel it's just cruel. You have kids and young adults literally questioning their life's worth and committing suicide over the stress school and the prospects of the future puts over them. But doesn't your response actually create the issue you're responding to? 10 Students coddled, lack resilience because they experienced few setbacks and allowed to weasel out of anything, so they overreact to any setbacks they do encounter. 20 Coddle students more, expose them to fewer setbacks and looser standards. 30 GOTO 10

dataflow 2y ago
Any measure less severe than an F is too much coddling in your book? Is your perspective that suicide rates are high because kids aren't getting enough failing grades due to typos?
- WalterBright 2y ago
  People who commit suicide over an F on a test are in great need of mental health care far beyond what a professor could provide.
  - dataflow 2y ago
    > People who commit suicide over an F on a test are in great need of mental health care far beyond what a professor could provide. Nobody is asking professors to provide anything. The ask is that they don't go out of their way to pile on extra cruel punishments on already-stressed students for typos. That's beyond the ability of a professor? What the heck are all the other ones doing then?
    - WalterBright 2y ago
      There's nothing cruel about notifying students at the very first class of the term that they'll need to spell "business" correctly. Those that cannot handle it have plenty of time to drop the class. If the requirements of college are too stressful, 1. drop out and try something simpler 2. put in a lot more time studying I had a lot of stress in college, to the point of abdominal pain, and picked option 2. It never occurred to me to demand easier coursework.

mamcx 2y ago

Looking back, all the best professors I have were one of 2: - The "Sergeant" - The "Actual carpenter" The "Sergeant" is somebody who HAS a disciplined way of working and still a minimal yet consistent set of rules for their students. You learn that you can't weasel your way with him. However, you never worry about being mistreated or facing injustice (which sounds ironic because "Sergeant" screams and all that, but is not mistreating you but hammering into you discipline) The "Sergeant" TRULY CARE about you. And that means it will not allow you to "go to war" if you are lacking! The opposite of it is "THE BULLY", and he after you, period. ---- The "Actual carpenter" is somebody who teaches his actual experience working. It will not just explain the theory of "the chair", HE HAS BUILD A CHAIR BEFORE, and it will teach you that. He really can answer 'What is the point of this?' The opposite of it is "THE PRETENDER", who has no idea of how to make a chair but certainly has a strong opinion of how to make one. ---- People that have not experienced the good version of the "old ways" are terrified of "discipline and hard work". My grandmother was a "Sergeant". You NEVER mess with her. How many times do she hit me or abuse me? zero. A good "Sergeant" does not need to. She only needs to make an intense look at me (or anybody else btw), and that is all.

WalterBright 2y ago
Haha, my father was able to punish me with simply a look that said "I'm disappointed in you."