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The evidence against her is so damning - she was present for every death, she even wrote “I’m evil, I did this” on a piece of paper.

kwhitefoot 2y ago
Confessions are not good evidence.
gruez 2y ago
It's not as damming as you make it out to be. People "confess" to crimes they didn't commit all the time[1]. Also, taking other things she wrote into context, eg. >I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them it's unclear whether she wrote “I’m evil, I did this” because she murdered the babies, or she felt responsible for their deaths despite not having murdered them. The latter isn't as far fetched as you might think. For instance when people choose to commit suicide by jumping in front of a train, conductors sometimes feel like they were responsible, even if there was nothing they can do (due to the stopping distances of the trains)[2]. And this is for a train, where it's possible to rigorously prove whether the conductor were responsible or not. Imagine what it must be like for a nurse in a hectic emergency unit, with far more variables and far less certainty. [1] https://innocenceproject.org/false-confessions/ https://innocenceproject.org/false-confessions/ [2] https://stories.usatodaynetwork.com/itookalife/former-train-engineer-haunted-by-suicides/site/dispatch.com/ https://stories.usatodaynetwork.com/itookalife/former-train-...
zimpenfish 2y ago
> she was present for every death For every death she was indicted for, yes; for every death on the unit, no. "[Schafer] thought that [the diagram] should have spanned a longer period of time and included all the deaths on the unit, not just the ones in the indictment."
albedoa 2y ago
You are committing the exact same fallacies as the r/lucyletby sub. She was present for every death that she was indicted for. Each of you and I were present for every death that we were indicted for too!
zarzavat 2y ago
I confess. I stole the Eiffel Tower. I'm a thief and a crook. Take me away and lock me up. Confessing to something is evidence of guilt if a crime has occurred. It's not evidence that a crime has occurred. Being present for every death is only evidence of guilt if those deaths were murders. It's not evidence that those deaths were murders. Otherwise you could correlate the staff rosters with death certificates at every hospital or nursing home and find a large number of "serial killers". Especially if you get to cherry pick which deaths are suspicious.

kwhitefoot 2y ago

Confessions are not good evidence.

gruez 2y ago

It's not as damming as you make it out to be. People "confess" to crimes they didn't commit all the time[1]. Also, taking other things she wrote into context, eg. >I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough to care for them it's unclear whether she wrote “I’m evil, I did this” because she murdered the babies, or she felt responsible for their deaths despite not having murdered them. The latter isn't as far fetched as you might think. For instance when people choose to commit suicide by jumping in front of a train, conductors sometimes feel like they were responsible, even if there was nothing they can do (due to the stopping distances of the trains)[2]. And this is for a train, where it's possible to rigorously prove whether the conductor were responsible or not. Imagine what it must be like for a nurse in a hectic emergency unit, with far more variables and far less certainty. [1] https://innocenceproject.org/false-confessions/ https://innocenceproject.org/false-confessions/ [2] https://stories.usatodaynetwork.com/itookalife/former-train-engineer-haunted-by-suicides/site/dispatch.com/ https://stories.usatodaynetwork.com/itookalife/former-train-...

zimpenfish 2y ago

> she was present for every death For every death she was indicted for, yes; for every death on the unit, no. "[Schafer] thought that [the diagram] should have spanned a longer period of time and included all the deaths on the unit, not just the ones in the indictment."

albedoa 2y ago

You are committing the exact same fallacies as the r/lucyletby sub. She was present for every death that she was indicted for. Each of you and I were present for every death that we were indicted for too!

zarzavat 2y ago

I confess. I stole the Eiffel Tower. I'm a thief and a crook. Take me away and lock me up. Confessing to something is evidence of guilt if a crime has occurred. It's not evidence that a crime has occurred. Being present for every death is only evidence of guilt if those deaths were murders. It's not evidence that those deaths were murders. Otherwise you could correlate the staff rosters with death certificates at every hospital or nursing home and find a large number of "serial killers". Especially if you get to cherry pick which deaths are suspicious.