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Subtlety, shcmutlety, its literally French and half-french colonizers repressing indigenous islanders. What the colonists vote for does not make democracy. > I

by zrn900 2y ago

Subtlety, shcmutlety, its literally French and half-french colonizers repressing indigenous islanders. What the colonists vote for does not make democracy. > It reminds me of redditors criticising France for sending their army to Mali but if they researched for not even 5 second they wouldn't have discovered that Mali explicitly asked for France to send troops on their territory.... Yeah, the former French-backed governments, 'asking' France to please send troops to Mali. If the enemies of 'the West' do it, its bad and its imperialism. But if 'the West' does it, its magically 'okay'.

azmodeus 2y ago
Where do you draw the line? Do you think only native Americans should have a vote in the USA? Or only Yakutsk in parts of Siberia?
- zrn900 2y ago
  The one that's happening in New Caledonia is not the kind of genocidal settler-colonialism that happened 100-200 years ago. It is happening here and now. There is no comparison.
lm28469 2y ago
I doubt you even have surface level of the topic, can you explain your view or is it just "west bad"? Is ECOWAS also imperialism? Is it ok to let countries fall to islamists because helping them even if they explicitly ask is "imperialism"?
- zrn900 2y ago
  > Is ECOWAS also imperialism? Hell yeah it is. Its a French-backed organization. > Is it ok to let countries fall to Islamists because helping them even if they explicitly ask is "imperialism"? Funny how the people who criticize other countries for imperialism when they do it try, to use it for themselves when they need to justify something. Russia helped the UN-recognized government of Syria clean up the Islamists that - ironically - the US was funding and training. They were called imperialists. > I doubt you even have surface level of the topic Calling out doublespeak does not require much. Just like the one above. > "west bad"? Yeah. Precisely that. As of this very moment its still trying to cling on to a world order it set up for exploiting everyone on the planet - including its own people. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/26/blinken-biden-china-policy-speech-00035385 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/26/blinken-biden-china... It murdered ~1 million Iraqis for their oil, it backed head-cutting Islamists for controlling the oil just recently. It even kills its own people when they cant pay for healthcare, and it exports that system to everywhere for profit. But its still blabbering about 'democracy' and 'values'. Just like you.
realusername 2y ago
> What the colonists vote for does not make democracy. The protest is against making the vote more democratic... The independentist never wanted democracy and they are very clear about it
- zrn900 2y ago
  > making the vote more democratic. "More democratic" so that the French colonists can vote. Yeah, that sounds good. > The independentist never wanted democracy It doesn't matter what the independists want. They are the original owners of the land. Colonialism is illegitimate even if the locals want to set up a fascist, Islamist, monarchical or feudal system after throwing the colonists out of their country.
  - realusername 2y ago
    There's people who lived there all their life and can't vote because a bunch of racists decided that their life is worth less than themselves. No thanks, this isn't how any of it works in a modern country. The independentist aren't better than the apartheid and if there's anything colonial left in there, it's the backward ethnic laws set up by the independentists.
    - zrn900 2y ago
      > There's people who lived there all their life and can't vote because It doesn't matter how long a colonizer has lived in some place where he is living as a settler-colonist. > a bunch of racists The locals have no obligation to be non-discriminative to those who are colonizing their land. Even proposing this sound utterly absurd. > backward ethnic laws The colonizing French are not a local ethnicity. They have no right to the place they are colonizing. They are colonizing foreigners there. Full stop.
      - realusername 2y ago
        There's no colony, NC is a full part of France with the same rights as everywhere else. Except for the independentist areas of course where the independentist fought to create apartheid laws.

by zrn900 2y ago

azmodeus 2y ago

Where do you draw the line? Do you think only native Americans should have a vote in the USA? Or only Yakutsk in parts of Siberia?

zrn900 2y ago
The one that's happening in New Caledonia is not the kind of genocidal settler-colonialism that happened 100-200 years ago. It is happening here and now. There is no comparison.

lm28469 2y ago

I doubt you even have surface level of the topic, can you explain your view or is it just "west bad"? Is ECOWAS also imperialism? Is it ok to let countries fall to islamists because helping them even if they explicitly ask is "imperialism"?

zrn900 2y ago
> Is ECOWAS also imperialism? Hell yeah it is. Its a French-backed organization. > Is it ok to let countries fall to Islamists because helping them even if they explicitly ask is "imperialism"? Funny how the people who criticize other countries for imperialism when they do it try, to use it for themselves when they need to justify something. Russia helped the UN-recognized government of Syria clean up the Islamists that - ironically - the US was funding and training. They were called imperialists. > I doubt you even have surface level of the topic Calling out doublespeak does not require much. Just like the one above. > "west bad"? Yeah. Precisely that. As of this very moment its still trying to cling on to a world order it set up for exploiting everyone on the planet - including its own people. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/26/blinken-biden-china-policy-speech-00035385 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/26/blinken-biden-china... It murdered ~1 million Iraqis for their oil, it backed head-cutting Islamists for controlling the oil just recently. It even kills its own people when they cant pay for healthcare, and it exports that system to everywhere for profit. But its still blabbering about 'democracy' and 'values'. Just like you.

realusername 2y ago

> What the colonists vote for does not make democracy. The protest is against making the vote more democratic... The independentist never wanted democracy and they are very clear about it

zrn900 2y ago
> making the vote more democratic. "More democratic" so that the French colonists can vote. Yeah, that sounds good. > The independentist never wanted democracy It doesn't matter what the independists want. They are the original owners of the land. Colonialism is illegitimate even if the locals want to set up a fascist, Islamist, monarchical or feudal system after throwing the colonists out of their country.
- realusername 2y ago
  There's people who lived there all their life and can't vote because a bunch of racists decided that their life is worth less than themselves. No thanks, this isn't how any of it works in a modern country. The independentist aren't better than the apartheid and if there's anything colonial left in there, it's the backward ethnic laws set up by the independentists.
  - zrn900 2y ago
    > There's people who lived there all their life and can't vote because It doesn't matter how long a colonizer has lived in some place where he is living as a settler-colonist. > a bunch of racists The locals have no obligation to be non-discriminative to those who are colonizing their land. Even proposing this sound utterly absurd. > backward ethnic laws The colonizing French are not a local ethnicity. They have no right to the place they are colonizing. They are colonizing foreigners there. Full stop.
    - realusername 2y ago
      There's no colony, NC is a full part of France with the same rights as everywhere else. Except for the independentist areas of course where the independentist fought to create apartheid laws.