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Obviously as it's the left-leaning New Yorker they will choose the least sympathetic examples. I think the Trad Wife thing should be more about motherhood than

Obviously as it's the left-leaning New Yorker they will choose the least sympathetic examples. I think the Trad Wife thing should be more about motherhood than what sort of a wife you are. People - women especially - should consciously weigh up the pros and cons of spending your life doing PowerPoints for some company that would replace you in a heartbeat if you dropped dead at your desk vs being more present in your children's life (or even having them in the first place).

giraffe_lady 2y ago
They chose an actually extremely soft approach to this, almost completely skipping over the question of the role of these influencers in the ecosystem of right wing religious nationalist propaganda they are clearly a part of. > People - women especially - should consciously weigh up the pros and cons of spending your life doing PowerPoints for some company People - women especially - already do this! Talk to them about it! They mostly all have extremely fraught and internally conflicted experiences of and beliefs about their capitulation to economic & social pressure and the demands that places on their own desires & values & hopes for their families and their futures. The fact that some still do choose professional achievement for some part of their lives doesn't mean they haven't considered the consequences or alternatives. And also, I mean, it's not a novel observation to point out that these women all have serious professional jobs: influencer. The cumulative stresses & demands of the life in front of the camera are well attested and articulated at this point. The effects of this sort of blurring of spheres and public professionalization of caregiving on the children who grow up in it is just beginning to become apparent but I haven't noticed anyone thinking it looks good for them.
micheljansen 2y ago
That’s such a false dichotomy. There is a whole spectrum of existence between being a corporate PowerPoint drone and being a subservient housewife.
- gadders 2y ago
  I agree, but I never mentioned subservience at all. Those are your words.
  - micheljansen 2y ago
    Not mine, the article mentions subservience.

giraffe_lady 2y ago

They chose an actually extremely soft approach to this, almost completely skipping over the question of the role of these influencers in the ecosystem of right wing religious nationalist propaganda they are clearly a part of. > People - women especially - should consciously weigh up the pros and cons of spending your life doing PowerPoints for some company People - women especially - already do this! Talk to them about it! They mostly all have extremely fraught and internally conflicted experiences of and beliefs about their capitulation to economic & social pressure and the demands that places on their own desires & values & hopes for their families and their futures. The fact that some still do choose professional achievement for some part of their lives doesn't mean they haven't considered the consequences or alternatives. And also, I mean, it's not a novel observation to point out that these women all have serious professional jobs: influencer. The cumulative stresses & demands of the life in front of the camera are well attested and articulated at this point. The effects of this sort of blurring of spheres and public professionalization of caregiving on the children who grow up in it is just beginning to become apparent but I haven't noticed anyone thinking it looks good for them.

micheljansen 2y ago

That’s such a false dichotomy. There is a whole spectrum of existence between being a corporate PowerPoint drone and being a subservient housewife.

gadders 2y ago
I agree, but I never mentioned subservience at all. Those are your words.
- micheljansen 2y ago
  Not mine, the article mentions subservience.