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A little off-topic. As an artist, I have a big problem. Look at 17-18 centuries art. Nudity is not a cardinal sin. Today, in the era of OnlyFans and porn normal

by nbzso 2y ago

A little off-topic. As an artist, I have a big problem. Look at 17-18 centuries art. Nudity is not a cardinal sin. Today, in the era of OnlyFans and porn normalization, posting nude art is censured publicly. I cannot post anatomy tutorials on YouTube because some puritan soul will see things that fire the eternal rage. How is this democracy? How is this an advanced society? We have a serious issue with society values alignment.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
You are free to purchase a domain from a registrar, setup a server or purchase hosting and bandwidth, and display any legal content, including nudity, on the internet for all to see. >How is this democracy? If you are in a democratic country, you can vote for representatives, or run for office yourself. Has nothing to do with you being able to host something on someone else's computer. >How is this an advanced society? Because you can upload functionally limitless digital content to someone else's computer and someone else halfway around the world can almost instantly view it on a handheld device. Obviously restricted to the rules of the entity paying to host said content.
- nbzso 2y ago
  So you solved the issue? Right?
- ryandrake 2y ago
  > You are free to purchase a domain from a registrar, setup a server or purchase hosting and bandwidth, and display any legal content, including nudity, on the internet for all to see. This retort always seems kind of trite and disingenuous. First of all, no, they are not free to do these things unless they are billionaires with capital to spend. "Just start your own business" is a silly dismissal because the vast majority of people cannot start such a business. Second, it doesn't even address the original complaint. "I think Company X should do ABC." Suggesting they start a different company to do ABC doesn't really address what OP calls for: Company X changing their ways.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    They do not have to start a company to share their nude art or whatever they want. And they don’t have to be billionaires. $100 per month is plenty to cover bandwidth and hosting expenses. There has never been a cheaper and quicker way to share one’s art in the history of humanity.
    - nbzso 2y ago
      Let's clarify some things. I am fully capable technically. VPS, Next.js site, Stripe, and so on. My complaint is cultural first, megacorp censorship second. Read the part with 17–18 centuries nude art. Think about the society in those times. Compare with today.
      - lotsofpulp 2y ago
        Yes, I agree with the cultural changes.
  - superkuh 2y ago
    It doesn't even take $100/mo like the other commenter says. It takes about $10/mo to have a website that would be completely capable of displaying "art" to however many people you can convince to look at it. It's simple too. It's just that the network effect of megacorp social media means you won't actually get many random arbitrary visitors and you won't have a way to monetize easily. So if you just care about art and not about monetizing you're art there's no problem. Should be good. If your goal is only money then, yes, you have to stick to the marketplaces.
AlexandrB 2y ago
What happened is American puritanism. Some places are a lot more "chill" about this stuff. I remember visiting Hungary in the late 90s and seeing a huge billboard ad for toothpaste featuring a fully topless woman. Unfortunately the US is the center of power for the internet, so much of the internet reflects American puritanical norms. Just take a look at Apple's restrictive policies on the subject.
- qingcharles 2y ago
  Yeah, this is a very American value. I remember being at the gym in England in the middle of the day with my American wife and the TVs were showing a BBC show about body positivity which basically involved full frontal nudity of all the participants. She was very surprised. To me, it was just Tuesday. Another time in Switzerland I was watching an evening game show and the host inexplicably undressed. Here's a pic seconds before the real action: https://imgur.com/a/n3iLhps https://imgur.com/a/n3iLhps Europe isn't for beginners lol
nitwit005 2y ago
Europeans were still having uproars over paintings of fully clothed women in the 19th century: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Madame_X https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Madame_X The reason you can't post an anatomy tutorial is unrelated though. That's because YouTube is cheap. They don't want to spend the effort to try to differentiate an art tutorial from more problematic content.

by nbzso 2y ago

lotsofpulp 2y ago

You are free to purchase a domain from a registrar, setup a server or purchase hosting and bandwidth, and display any legal content, including nudity, on the internet for all to see. >How is this democracy? If you are in a democratic country, you can vote for representatives, or run for office yourself. Has nothing to do with you being able to host something on someone else's computer. >How is this an advanced society? Because you can upload functionally limitless digital content to someone else's computer and someone else halfway around the world can almost instantly view it on a handheld device. Obviously restricted to the rules of the entity paying to host said content.

nbzso 2y ago
So you solved the issue? Right?
ryandrake 2y ago
> You are free to purchase a domain from a registrar, setup a server or purchase hosting and bandwidth, and display any legal content, including nudity, on the internet for all to see. This retort always seems kind of trite and disingenuous. First of all, no, they are not free to do these things unless they are billionaires with capital to spend. "Just start your own business" is a silly dismissal because the vast majority of people cannot start such a business. Second, it doesn't even address the original complaint. "I think Company X should do ABC." Suggesting they start a different company to do ABC doesn't really address what OP calls for: Company X changing their ways.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  They do not have to start a company to share their nude art or whatever they want. And they don’t have to be billionaires. $100 per month is plenty to cover bandwidth and hosting expenses. There has never been a cheaper and quicker way to share one’s art in the history of humanity.
  - nbzso 2y ago
    Let's clarify some things. I am fully capable technically. VPS, Next.js site, Stripe, and so on. My complaint is cultural first, megacorp censorship second. Read the part with 17–18 centuries nude art. Think about the society in those times. Compare with today.
    - lotsofpulp 2y ago
      Yes, I agree with the cultural changes.
- superkuh 2y ago
  It doesn't even take $100/mo like the other commenter says. It takes about $10/mo to have a website that would be completely capable of displaying "art" to however many people you can convince to look at it. It's simple too. It's just that the network effect of megacorp social media means you won't actually get many random arbitrary visitors and you won't have a way to monetize easily. So if you just care about art and not about monetizing you're art there's no problem. Should be good. If your goal is only money then, yes, you have to stick to the marketplaces.

AlexandrB 2y ago

What happened is American puritanism. Some places are a lot more "chill" about this stuff. I remember visiting Hungary in the late 90s and seeing a huge billboard ad for toothpaste featuring a fully topless woman. Unfortunately the US is the center of power for the internet, so much of the internet reflects American puritanical norms. Just take a look at Apple's restrictive policies on the subject.

qingcharles 2y ago
Yeah, this is a very American value. I remember being at the gym in England in the middle of the day with my American wife and the TVs were showing a BBC show about body positivity which basically involved full frontal nudity of all the participants. She was very surprised. To me, it was just Tuesday. Another time in Switzerland I was watching an evening game show and the host inexplicably undressed. Here's a pic seconds before the real action: https://imgur.com/a/n3iLhps https://imgur.com/a/n3iLhps Europe isn't for beginners lol

nitwit005 2y ago

Europeans were still having uproars over paintings of fully clothed women in the 19th century: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Madame_X https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_Madame_X The reason you can't post an anatomy tutorial is unrelated though. That's because YouTube is cheap. They don't want to spend the effort to try to differentiate an art tutorial from more problematic content.