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Ideally condo associations, not local governments, would decide whether to allow Airbnb and under what rules. The condo owners in a building would weigh the pro

Ideally condo associations, not local governments, would decide whether to allow Airbnb and under what rules. The condo owners in a building would weigh the problems you mentioned against the revenue they can earn.

aurareturn 2y ago
I generally agree with you. I was a renter - not a home owner in the condo building. Therefore, I had no voting rights. Still doesn't make me dislike Airbnb any less as a neighbor.
mschuster91 2y ago
> Ideally condo associations, not local governments, would decide whether to allow Airbnb and under what rules. So what does someone do who is a neighbor to a condo, who bought their house under the assumption that they would live next to a condo of regular renters decades ago, when the condo association now has no problems with their owners running essentially a hotel just without on-prem security and other staff, and so the "guests" are a continuous nuisance? The neighbor can't really do anything in that situation: they can call the police but even if they show up every night to shut up the newest batch of drunkards it won't help as the drunkards are gone before "repeat offender/multiple-strikes" laws take effect, when the police doesn't care they can't take their own gun and shut the drunkards up on their own for the same reason even if that would be legal in their jurisdiction, they can't complain to the local government or other authorities because nothing the condo association or the individual owners do breaks the law... they can only sell their house, at a decent hit to its valuation to boot.
- infecto 2y ago
  If there are successful airbnbs being run then perhaps the valuation has gone up. I get it but thats the risk you run when buying into any kind of condo/apartment community. Replace airbnb with any number of other irritating things.
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    When you are in a condo community, you can campaign for votes and get stuff changed. But I was talking about being a neighbor to a condo. In this case you're severely fucked and have no recourse, no way of changing things, because you're not an owner of a condo unit. Besides, there is no such thing as a successful AirBnB, except for places that explicitly advertise themselves as a "high end boarding house" for business consultants and the likes - but that's seriously stretching the definition of what AirBnB was meant to be.
    - infecto 2y ago
      Ahh, the better example, two houses and one of the houses is being used as an Airbnb...it can definitely be a real problem in that case too. The best example to me is Palm Springs where they put in place some very strict rules, the latest being a maximum for short-term rentals (20% I think). Its the way to solve it in my opinion. Don't make up definitions. I don't like the Airbnb model but there are definitely properties that one could classify as successful businesses all through an Airbnb / vrbo model. You might be confusing what Airbnb used to be in the early 2010s. That ship sailed a long time ago.
infecto 2y ago
In spirit sure but if airbnb is essentially a hotel I can see an argument that they should be required to pay the same taxes/fees and follow the same rules that hotels are having to follow.

aurareturn 2y ago

I generally agree with you. I was a renter - not a home owner in the condo building. Therefore, I had no voting rights. Still doesn't make me dislike Airbnb any less as a neighbor.

mschuster91 2y ago

> Ideally condo associations, not local governments, would decide whether to allow Airbnb and under what rules. So what does someone do who is a neighbor to a condo, who bought their house under the assumption that they would live next to a condo of regular renters decades ago, when the condo association now has no problems with their owners running essentially a hotel just without on-prem security and other staff, and so the "guests" are a continuous nuisance? The neighbor can't really do anything in that situation: they can call the police but even if they show up every night to shut up the newest batch of drunkards it won't help as the drunkards are gone before "repeat offender/multiple-strikes" laws take effect, when the police doesn't care they can't take their own gun and shut the drunkards up on their own for the same reason even if that would be legal in their jurisdiction, they can't complain to the local government or other authorities because nothing the condo association or the individual owners do breaks the law... they can only sell their house, at a decent hit to its valuation to boot.

infecto 2y ago
If there are successful airbnbs being run then perhaps the valuation has gone up. I get it but thats the risk you run when buying into any kind of condo/apartment community. Replace airbnb with any number of other irritating things.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  When you are in a condo community, you can campaign for votes and get stuff changed. But I was talking about being a neighbor to a condo. In this case you're severely fucked and have no recourse, no way of changing things, because you're not an owner of a condo unit. Besides, there is no such thing as a successful AirBnB, except for places that explicitly advertise themselves as a "high end boarding house" for business consultants and the likes - but that's seriously stretching the definition of what AirBnB was meant to be.
  - infecto 2y ago
    Ahh, the better example, two houses and one of the houses is being used as an Airbnb...it can definitely be a real problem in that case too. The best example to me is Palm Springs where they put in place some very strict rules, the latest being a maximum for short-term rentals (20% I think). Its the way to solve it in my opinion. Don't make up definitions. I don't like the Airbnb model but there are definitely properties that one could classify as successful businesses all through an Airbnb / vrbo model. You might be confusing what Airbnb used to be in the early 2010s. That ship sailed a long time ago.

infecto 2y ago

In spirit sure but if airbnb is essentially a hotel I can see an argument that they should be required to pay the same taxes/fees and follow the same rules that hotels are having to follow.