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Meanwhile in non-defaced public property: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/1_times_square_night_2013.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped

Meanwhile in non-defaced public property: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/1_times_square_night_2013.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/1_times_... The thing about a big city is it's not just about the people who own the stuff you look at, it's about all the other people who have to look at it. I'll take graffiti over advertising any day. At least graffiti isn't trying to sell me anything or make me depressed or addicted or whatever.

d0gsg0w00f 2y ago
Everybody is selling something, especially graffiti artists. You just aren't the target demographic.
- Loughla 2y ago
  What are they selling
  - d0gsg0w00f 2y ago
    Usually their personal brand or gang affiliation.
sureIy 2y ago
Apples to oranges. The issue with graffiti is not that there are too many, it’s that they’re illegal. I doubt you’d admire an unrequested graffiti war over every wall and window of your house.
- wolverine876 2y ago
  People do lots of illegal things. When some tech titan does it, many on HN decry the laws, the government, etc. Painting graffiti is relatively, completely, harmless.
close04 2y ago
Maybe it just boils down to the right to property and having your own stuff just the (legal) way you want it. It's all great until your stuff gets destroyed because someone thinks it's better a different way. And when the graffiti is truly spectacular you can find some consolation in the result, maybe truly appreciate it. But that's not the case 99.99% of the time. Most graffiti is just trash, some rando spraying their name somewhere. Takes 10 seconds and 0 talent. It causes extra expense for people or the city to clean up, or it stays there as an eye sore for everyone.
- wolverine876 2y ago
  It's usually on public property, or sometimes on corporate property. I don't think I've seen much graffiti on some private individual's property. It's not on the front of people's houses. > Most graffiti is just trash People say that about modern art, and about that crazy 'rock'n'roll'!
  - close04 2y ago
    > It’s usually on public property Which gets cleaned up with public money that could be used elsewhere, or stays there as an eyesore. > It’s not on the front of people’s houses. Sometimes the sides too. > people say that about modern art, and about that crazy 'rock'n'roll'! Did you just compare modern art and rock and roll to the few letter “tag” sprayed in 10 seconds again and again hundreds of time throughout a city? Because that’s what 99.99% of graffiti is, simple tags and doodles [0][1] anyone can make. Charitably I’ll say you just didn’t pay attention to tagging’s aesthetic effect on a city. The less charitable alternative seeing the “tag = modern art + rock and roll” opinion is that you’re one of the “artist”. [0] https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fy94ahtg9xvk41.jpg https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fy... [1] https://cooltourspain.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/tag-graffiti-artist.jpg https://cooltourspain.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/tag-gra...
    - wolverine876 2y ago
      Maybe I just have a different perspective than you; it's not a mistake to disagree with you - or vice versa. Unless we're interested in the world outside our perspecitve, how will we learn anything new? > Did you just compare modern art and rock and roll to the few letter “tag” sprayed in 10 seconds again and again hundreds of time throughout a city? Yes! That's what rock'n'roll is at its core, three chords (or fewer) and the truth, and that's how it was characterized - artless noise, etc. People try to put us d-down Just because we get around Things they do look awful c-c-cold I hope I die before I get old Much modern art is constantly ridiculed - 'I could do that myself!' > Because that’s what 99.99% of graffiti is, simple tags and doodles [0][1] anyone can make. It's just noise, I tell you! Now get off my lawn geezer! :p :)

d0gsg0w00f 2y ago

Everybody is selling something, especially graffiti artists. You just aren't the target demographic.

Loughla 2y ago
What are they selling
- d0gsg0w00f 2y ago
  Usually their personal brand or gang affiliation.

sureIy 2y ago

Apples to oranges. The issue with graffiti is not that there are too many, it’s that they’re illegal. I doubt you’d admire an unrequested graffiti war over every wall and window of your house.

wolverine876 2y ago
People do lots of illegal things. When some tech titan does it, many on HN decry the laws, the government, etc. Painting graffiti is relatively, completely, harmless.

close04 2y ago

Maybe it just boils down to the right to property and having your own stuff just the (legal) way you want it. It's all great until your stuff gets destroyed because someone thinks it's better a different way. And when the graffiti is truly spectacular you can find some consolation in the result, maybe truly appreciate it. But that's not the case 99.99% of the time. Most graffiti is just trash, some rando spraying their name somewhere. Takes 10 seconds and 0 talent. It causes extra expense for people or the city to clean up, or it stays there as an eye sore for everyone.

wolverine876 2y ago
It's usually on public property, or sometimes on corporate property. I don't think I've seen much graffiti on some private individual's property. It's not on the front of people's houses. > Most graffiti is just trash People say that about modern art, and about that crazy 'rock'n'roll'!
- close04 2y ago
  > It’s usually on public property Which gets cleaned up with public money that could be used elsewhere, or stays there as an eyesore. > It’s not on the front of people’s houses. Sometimes the sides too. > people say that about modern art, and about that crazy 'rock'n'roll'! Did you just compare modern art and rock and roll to the few letter “tag” sprayed in 10 seconds again and again hundreds of time throughout a city? Because that’s what 99.99% of graffiti is, simple tags and doodles [0][1] anyone can make. Charitably I’ll say you just didn’t pay attention to tagging’s aesthetic effect on a city. The less charitable alternative seeing the “tag = modern art + rock and roll” opinion is that you’re one of the “artist”. [0] https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fy94ahtg9xvk41.jpg https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fy... [1] https://cooltourspain.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/tag-graffiti-artist.jpg https://cooltourspain.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/tag-gra...
  - wolverine876 2y ago
    Maybe I just have a different perspective than you; it's not a mistake to disagree with you - or vice versa. Unless we're interested in the world outside our perspecitve, how will we learn anything new? > Did you just compare modern art and rock and roll to the few letter “tag” sprayed in 10 seconds again and again hundreds of time throughout a city? Yes! That's what rock'n'roll is at its core, three chords (or fewer) and the truth, and that's how it was characterized - artless noise, etc. People try to put us d-down Just because we get around Things they do look awful c-c-cold I hope I die before I get old Much modern art is constantly ridiculed - 'I could do that myself!' > Because that’s what 99.99% of graffiti is, simple tags and doodles [0][1] anyone can make. It's just noise, I tell you! Now get off my lawn geezer! :p :)