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But you can opt out, right? So what’s the problem? Also, is Teams (and other messengers) any different?
by p1esk 2y ago
But you can opt out, right? So what’s the problem?
Also, is Teams (and other messengers) any different?
- apignotti 2y agoYou can opt-out by manually writing an email to them. The process matters.
- troupo 2y ago> But you can opt out, right? So what’s the problem? This thinking is the problem. "Oh, we just added your entire private/privileged/NDA/corporate information to our training set without your consent. What's the problem?" Opt-out must be the default. Edit: By "Opt-out must be the default." I mean: no one's data must be included until they explicitly give consent via an opt-in :)
- zelphirkalt 2y agoEspecially since once it has been trained, it is in the model, and I am not aware of any way anyone has discovered to later remove from the model single or selected training data points, except for re-training/re-learning the model. So basically the crime might already be done. But I also know that so many businesses are too sluggish to make a switch and employees incapable of understanding the risk. So unfortunately not all of Europe will switch away. But I hope a significant number gives them the middle finger.
- bayindirh 2y agoThere's something called "machine unlearning" being worked on to address these issues. This doesn't mean that I support Slack or any opt-in without consent training model. On the contrary. I don't have any OpenAI/Midjourney/etc. account, and don't plan to have one.
- Liquidor 2y ago> Opt-out must be the default. Don't you mean opt-in must be the default? Or am I misunderstanding the concept of opt-ins :P
- troupo 2y agoOpt-in is "I agree to have my data included" Opt-out is "I don't agree to have my data included"
- ellisnguyen 2y agoOpt-out by default = Opt-in. Opt-in by default = Opt-out
- falcor84 2y agoExactly! Allowing access to your data should only be opt-in
- ADeerAppeared 2y agoWorth noting: This is a legal requirement in Europe The GDPR mandates that consent is given affirmatively, with this kind of "oh we put it in the EULA nobody reads" being explicitly called out as non-compliant.
- torginus 2y agoand how does that even work? Slack is a chat app. Does everyone involved in the chat need to opt out for it to be meaningful? What about bots?
- rpastuszak 2y agoDefaults matter! Just look at how much Apple and Mozilla get from Google by having their browser as a default (ca. $20,000,000,000 and $400,000,000 IIRC per annum). Or look at how many people rejected the tracking prompt displayed for FB when it was added to iOS (+70%).
- notachatbot1234 2y agoDo they discard everything processed so far every time someone opts out?
- Arisaka1 2y agoThe way to opt out is by contacting support,in an era where opt ins and outs should be handled by a toggle button. Either they don't expect many people to wish to opt their slacks out, or they're aware of the asynchronous friction this introduces and they don't care.