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You might be interested in this video about why Gen Z is starting to use typewriters again [0]. In a word, focus. They say they are often too distracted from wr

You might be interested in this video about why Gen Z is starting to use typewriters again [0]. In a word, focus. They say they are often too distracted from writing when using a computer as it is easy to surf the web instead of writing your paper, so having a single purpose utility rather than a multipurpose one is actually a boon. [0] https://youtu.be/PdYPZr1Flog https://youtu.be/PdYPZr1Flog

armada651 2y ago
Sounds like we need a single-purpose Linux distro that only runs a word processor. Of course that's not nearly as interesting as using a physical typewriter, but it sure is easier than scanning all those typewritten pages using OCR.
- flobosg 2y ago
  I built something similar using a spare ThinkPad x220 I had lying around and a minimal Debian installation. I would prefer something closer to the AlphaSmart Neo line of digital typewriters, though.
- helij 2y ago
  Sounds like they need to learn how to deal with this. Turning off notifications might help as well. Eventually typewriter will not work as it's a mind issue and not a tool issue imo.
  - michaelt 2y ago
    The typewriter is them dealing with it. Isolating oneself from outside distractions to help concentration is nothing new - libraries have provided quiet places for studying for aeons.
    - filleduchaos 2y ago
      Nah, if you don't set up on a train station platform and do all your work from there you simply have a mind issue and should learn how to deal with distractions
      - mrguyorama 2y ago
        Career writers have been using "dumber" text editors and computer systems to better mentally isolate their work for decades. It's not even an attention thing.
      - post-it 2y ago
        Why? What works, works.
    - helij 2y ago
      I understand to a degree but there's always 'but'. How is typewriter any different than fullscreen text editor? You can have a quiet room with a computer no? What I'm saying is, if they don't work on themselves, a physical device won't help long term imo. Eventually they will land back on distractions.
      - cgriswald 2y ago
        I don’t think this is true. They might struggle with distractions elsewhere but if they’ve created a ritual out of writing in this distraction free environment they’ve created it will probably always work for them (and maybe better over time). Having the experience of doing things without distraction might also help them ignore distractions elsewhere. By way of analogy, learning to swim in calm waters helps you learn to swim in rough waters by giving you the experience of what swimming is even like.
      - notjulianjaynes 2y ago
        I read an anecdote once that novelist Jonathan Franzen writes on a laptop which has had the WiFi card removed and Ethernet port glued shut. He's pretty successful so whatever works imo.
      - deanishe 2y ago
        Why the quiet room? Should you not rather train yourself not to be distracted by the noise like you train yourself not to be distracted by notifications?
        navjack27 2y ago
        As someone who was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of two and have dealt with it my entire life I gotta completely agree with you. The quest for quiet is impossible. You will never have completely stimulus free environments. The way our bodies work competes against this whole idea. If you're in a dark room your eyes adjust. If you are in a quiet room your ears basically have a compressor built in. Everything that was in the shadow or in the quiet will eventually make itself known. Thrive in noise, thrive in distraction, thrive in chaos. Edit: but one thing that is incredibly important is partitioning your workspace. Perform work where work should be performed and keep that separate from where you automatically do leisure activities or seek out pleasurable distractions.
    - talldayo 2y ago
      That feels a bit like saying you disagree with farm automation so you fired your oxen and pull the plow yourself now. There's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm empathetic to the people that feel like they can't focus in commercial operating systems, but their only option is to adapt or fall off. Making MacOS or Windows into a usable and non-distracting environment is basically the only way I have been able to make money in the tech industry. If I told my boss I was switching to a typewriter for efficiency purposes, I'd be gone before the end of the day.
      - satvikpendem 2y ago
        How is a typewriter going to help you run an IDE? They're two orthogonal things you're comparing.
        talldayo 2y ago
        It doesn't even need to be code; I simply can't turn in work physically. If I type out my project notes or Kaizen report in a typewriter, I'll be asked to make a digital copy next. This isn't just programming, everywhere you go is digital-first and would vastly prefer a digitized copy from the start as opposed to OCRing a photo of my typewritten document. Again - for personal use, go crazy. Nostalgic stuff is fun! This is not a solution for 90% of the workforce though and I would argue that relying on a typewriter for isolation is harming your professional prospects. Apply to any job and compare the reactions you get bringing your typewriter to the first interview with the reactions you get from bringing your laptop.
        satvikpendem 2y ago
        You're arguing a strawman, no one said anything about using a typewriter professionally.
        talldayo 2y ago
        It's not a strawman at all. The parent claimed "The typewriter is them dealing with it" and I am listing all of the different ways a can typewriter impair you personally. If you don't care about the way people perceive you, how productive you are, how accessible your work is or how error-proof your product is, maybe a typewriter is for you. I cannot imagine a practical application (even casually) where you would benefit from a typewriter over a word processor and inkjet printer. I say this as someone with a typewriter not 20 feet away from where I'm standing now; they suck.
- 83 2y ago
  Theres a whole category of products that is just a keyboard with a tiny 3 or 4 lines of text lcd. (google electronic word processor, or Tandy WP-2). Probably not as popular today as they were back in the early 90s before everyone had a Pc, but I think they're still manufactured.
- kristianbrigman 2y ago
  There were word processors with storage - I can’t remember how they worked but a dedicated typewriter doesn’t mean you can’t also get an electric copy. Also found this in a quick search, basically an ereader + keyboard: https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler
moomoo11 2y ago
This is why meditation is important. People need all sorts of excuses to just calm their mind and say it’s some disorder. But I’ve literally never met someone who genuinely tried meditation and it didn’t help them. I used to run a meditation group at work and the dozen or so people who consistently showed up reported that it changed their life. And I’m no expert I just do breathwork and concentration on a single object like a red dot sticker. They rather use medication or spend money buying gadgets and toys. Oh well. Not my problem when the solution is literally built in.
- u32480932048 2y ago
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- II2II 2y ago
  Don't get me wrong, I do believe that behavioural approaches should be tried first. On the other hand, framing the failure of behavioural approaches being the result of not making a genuine attempt is harmful. It may dissuade them from finding more effective treatments for their particular case, or at the very least delay them seeking help.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  >People need all sorts of excuses to just calm their mind and say it’s some disorder. Get off your high horse. My brain is literally, physically, developed wrong. It's broken. I need treatment, medication, therapy, not a fucking meditation tape. Not that meditation is bad or wrong or worthless, because I used to like it, but it's not medicine. Do you also insist people with bad vision just try looking harder? Maybe squint a little bit more? Who needs glasses, the fix is built right in!
- Fripplebubby 2y ago
  Medication isn't something they just hand out to anyone who asks. The reason it exists is because there is a large body of scientific research that all points to it helping treat disorders such as ADHD, whether you believe it or not. Meditation may also provide benefits, although there is less scientific evidence today that it does.

armada651 2y ago

Sounds like we need a single-purpose Linux distro that only runs a word processor. Of course that's not nearly as interesting as using a physical typewriter, but it sure is easier than scanning all those typewritten pages using OCR.

flobosg 2y ago
I built something similar using a spare ThinkPad x220 I had lying around and a minimal Debian installation. I would prefer something closer to the AlphaSmart Neo line of digital typewriters, though.
helij 2y ago
Sounds like they need to learn how to deal with this. Turning off notifications might help as well. Eventually typewriter will not work as it's a mind issue and not a tool issue imo.
- michaelt 2y ago
  The typewriter is them dealing with it. Isolating oneself from outside distractions to help concentration is nothing new - libraries have provided quiet places for studying for aeons.
  - filleduchaos 2y ago
    Nah, if you don't set up on a train station platform and do all your work from there you simply have a mind issue and should learn how to deal with distractions
    - mrguyorama 2y ago
      Career writers have been using "dumber" text editors and computer systems to better mentally isolate their work for decades. It's not even an attention thing.
    - post-it 2y ago
      Why? What works, works.
  - helij 2y ago
    I understand to a degree but there's always 'but'. How is typewriter any different than fullscreen text editor? You can have a quiet room with a computer no? What I'm saying is, if they don't work on themselves, a physical device won't help long term imo. Eventually they will land back on distractions.
    - cgriswald 2y ago
      I don’t think this is true. They might struggle with distractions elsewhere but if they’ve created a ritual out of writing in this distraction free environment they’ve created it will probably always work for them (and maybe better over time). Having the experience of doing things without distraction might also help them ignore distractions elsewhere. By way of analogy, learning to swim in calm waters helps you learn to swim in rough waters by giving you the experience of what swimming is even like.
    - notjulianjaynes 2y ago
      I read an anecdote once that novelist Jonathan Franzen writes on a laptop which has had the WiFi card removed and Ethernet port glued shut. He's pretty successful so whatever works imo.
    - deanishe 2y ago
      Why the quiet room? Should you not rather train yourself not to be distracted by the noise like you train yourself not to be distracted by notifications?
      - navjack27 2y ago
        As someone who was diagnosed with ADHD at the age of two and have dealt with it my entire life I gotta completely agree with you. The quest for quiet is impossible. You will never have completely stimulus free environments. The way our bodies work competes against this whole idea. If you're in a dark room your eyes adjust. If you are in a quiet room your ears basically have a compressor built in. Everything that was in the shadow or in the quiet will eventually make itself known. Thrive in noise, thrive in distraction, thrive in chaos. Edit: but one thing that is incredibly important is partitioning your workspace. Perform work where work should be performed and keep that separate from where you automatically do leisure activities or seek out pleasurable distractions.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    That feels a bit like saying you disagree with farm automation so you fired your oxen and pull the plow yourself now. There's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm empathetic to the people that feel like they can't focus in commercial operating systems, but their only option is to adapt or fall off. Making MacOS or Windows into a usable and non-distracting environment is basically the only way I have been able to make money in the tech industry. If I told my boss I was switching to a typewriter for efficiency purposes, I'd be gone before the end of the day.
    - satvikpendem 2y ago
      How is a typewriter going to help you run an IDE? They're two orthogonal things you're comparing.
      - talldayo 2y ago
        It doesn't even need to be code; I simply can't turn in work physically. If I type out my project notes or Kaizen report in a typewriter, I'll be asked to make a digital copy next. This isn't just programming, everywhere you go is digital-first and would vastly prefer a digitized copy from the start as opposed to OCRing a photo of my typewritten document. Again - for personal use, go crazy. Nostalgic stuff is fun! This is not a solution for 90% of the workforce though and I would argue that relying on a typewriter for isolation is harming your professional prospects. Apply to any job and compare the reactions you get bringing your typewriter to the first interview with the reactions you get from bringing your laptop.
        satvikpendem 2y ago
        You're arguing a strawman, no one said anything about using a typewriter professionally.
        talldayo 2y ago
        It's not a strawman at all. The parent claimed "The typewriter is them dealing with it" and I am listing all of the different ways a can typewriter impair you personally. If you don't care about the way people perceive you, how productive you are, how accessible your work is or how error-proof your product is, maybe a typewriter is for you. I cannot imagine a practical application (even casually) where you would benefit from a typewriter over a word processor and inkjet printer. I say this as someone with a typewriter not 20 feet away from where I'm standing now; they suck.
83 2y ago
Theres a whole category of products that is just a keyboard with a tiny 3 or 4 lines of text lcd. (google electronic word processor, or Tandy WP-2). Probably not as popular today as they were back in the early 90s before everyone had a Pc, but I think they're still manufactured.
kristianbrigman 2y ago
There were word processors with storage - I can’t remember how they worked but a dedicated typewriter doesn’t mean you can’t also get an electric copy. Also found this in a quick search, basically an ereader + keyboard: https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler

moomoo11 2y ago

This is why meditation is important. People need all sorts of excuses to just calm their mind and say it’s some disorder. But I’ve literally never met someone who genuinely tried meditation and it didn’t help them. I used to run a meditation group at work and the dozen or so people who consistently showed up reported that it changed their life. And I’m no expert I just do breathwork and concentration on a single object like a red dot sticker. They rather use medication or spend money buying gadgets and toys. Oh well. Not my problem when the solution is literally built in.

u32480932048 2y ago
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II2II 2y ago
Don't get me wrong, I do believe that behavioural approaches should be tried first. On the other hand, framing the failure of behavioural approaches being the result of not making a genuine attempt is harmful. It may dissuade them from finding more effective treatments for their particular case, or at the very least delay them seeking help.
mrguyorama 2y ago
>People need all sorts of excuses to just calm their mind and say it’s some disorder. Get off your high horse. My brain is literally, physically, developed wrong. It's broken. I need treatment, medication, therapy, not a fucking meditation tape. Not that meditation is bad or wrong or worthless, because I used to like it, but it's not medicine. Do you also insist people with bad vision just try looking harder? Maybe squint a little bit more? Who needs glasses, the fix is built right in!
Fripplebubby 2y ago
Medication isn't something they just hand out to anyone who asks. The reason it exists is because there is a large body of scientific research that all points to it helping treat disorders such as ADHD, whether you believe it or not. Meditation may also provide benefits, although there is less scientific evidence today that it does.