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The reliance of the Austrian power grid on nuclear energy, combined with their total refusal to produce it domestically is certainly ironic. This phenomenon als
by xeckr 2y ago
The reliance of the Austrian power grid on nuclear energy, combined with their total refusal to produce it domestically is certainly ironic. This phenomenon also predates any notion of green energy transition by several decades.
- Krasnol 2y agoThey don't rely on nuclear energy. They rely on the grid. Just like the rest of the connected countries. Just like nuclear country France does. What kind of energy is cheap at the moment there is irrelevant. If nuclear energy would be turned off on the grid, like it happens all the time when the French fleet needs repairs again for example, no lights go out in Austria. Just like no lights go out in France. What you do is the same thing as making fun of humans because they rely on supermarkets and don't go out on the streets and shoot some animals. Times change.
- xeckr 2y agoFollowing your metaphor, those humans eat meat while voting to outlaw the killing of animals. But only after spending a billion dollars on hunting equipment.
- theyinwhy 2y agoNo. The metaphor is humans voting to stop hunting whales but eat whales before starving to death.
- Krasnol 2y agoNot really. They've spent that money on hunting equipment only to realize that it would have been more clever to ask the people whose money they spend, if they should do it. This is why it never happened again. Learning from mistakes is something good.
- pyrale 2y ago> like it happens all the time when the French fleet needs repairs again for example The one time this happened in 40 years was quite a problem for European supply reliability.
- Krasnol 2y agoWhen is this supposed to be? Because the time I've been talking about is not that long ago...
- pyrale 2y agoIt happened in 2022. That’s not exactly «all the time» or even «again».
- Krasnol 2y agoWhen exactly? Do you have any sources on this? An URL? Something?
- pyrale 2y agohttps://analysesetdonnees.rte-france.com/en/electricity-review-keyfindings https://analysesetdonnees.rte-france.com/en/electricity-revi...
- Krasnol 2y agoThis article literally refutes your statement: > the European grid almost died so no, they do rely on nuclear whether they are happy or not. It is actually the opposite of it. I mean seriously: what? :D > In 2022, the power system proved resilient in the face of the most serious energy crisis since the 1970s
- pyrale 2y agoWhere exactly are you quoting that first message from? > I am not honest enough to avoid making strawmen A-ha!
- realusername 2y ago> If nuclear energy would be turned off on the grid, like it happens all the time when the French fleet needs repairs again for example It happened a single time in 40 years and the European grid almost died so no, they do rely on nuclear whether they are happy or not.
- Krasnol 2y agoWhat are you talking about? Where is the grid "almost died"? :D Do you have any trustworthy sources for that?
- rurban 2y agoAs Austrian it's a national pride, and certainly not ironic. Germany only followed after their Wackersdorf debacle, matching Tschnernobyl, and then finally Fukushima. The rest of Europe is still in the hands of the energy lobbies. And Austria does not rely on nuclear at all. It's rather the other way round, that all the others rely on Austria (and Swiss) expensive peak energy from their high mountains. When Europe turns on all it's power switches at the very same time the grid would collapse without Austria.
- petre 2y agoThat's how it sponsored Putin's war for decades, by being reliant on Russian oil and gas. Austria is still doing that, until maybe Ukraine closes down or blows up the pipeline. https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/we-dont-need-russian-gas-will-austria-finally-ditch-gazprom/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy-environment/news/we-...
- Krasnol 2y agoAnd this is how countries with nuclear energy still doing it: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-023-01228-5 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41560-023-01228-5 https://cepa.org/article/russias-civil-nuclear-threat-must-be-crushed/ https://cepa.org/article/russias-civil-nuclear-threat-must-b...
- pyrale 2y agoNot really European countries, no. Quote from your article: > With the exception of Hungary, which has recently signed an agreement with Rosatom for the expansion of its Paks nuclear power plant, European countries have been seeking to diversify away from the company since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
- Krasnol 2y ago> Not really European countries, no. Is nuclear energy a European energy source, or how is this comment related?
- datadeft 2y agoAt some stage one Austrian politician said that Austria won't buy nuclear contaminated energy from Hungary.