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The data show that urban highways very much impacted certain neighborhoods more than others, when you look at more than one city https://www.bloomberg.com/grap

by davidw 2y ago

The data show that urban highways very much impacted certain neighborhoods more than others, when you look at more than one city https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-urban-highways-infrastructure-racism/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-urban-highways-infra...

Lammy 2y ago
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- hirsin 2y ago
  I mean, the same classes and groups instituting redlining were the ones picking where the infrastructure went. I don't think anyone is blaming the existence of infrastructure as the causative factor.
  - davidw 2y ago
    This is correct. It's not like it was one group of people who did the redlining and the racist zoning and all that and then some completely separate and totally unrelated group of people thought "let's put the freeway here".
- vineyardmike 2y ago
  > A better question is why did those places have minority neighborhoods instead of anybody living anywhere they want? Not to be mean, but is this question intentionally obtuse? It feels like a bad faith question to ask. In America, in the relevant time periods (eg. 1950s), black neighborhoods were often targeted by infrastructure. This was before they had the protected rights to vote. This was a time where slavery, then legal segregation, and then redlining literally forced people of color into certain geographic regions. THEN infrastructure projects literally bulldozed those neighborhoods. So "why did people of color not live wherever they want, and why do we blame the bulldozers that destroyed the place they did live" is ignoring the history of so much systemic issues in America, that it feels like a bad-faith question to ask.
  - Lammy 2y ago
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    - ElemenoPicuares 2y ago
      https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cop-out https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cop-out
- aaronbrethorst 2y ago
  In part because of official US government policy, commonly known as redlining. https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history...
- ncallaway 2y ago
  > Infrastructure projects should not be blamed for conditions they did not cause. This seems like a strange sentiment to me. Intrastructure projects should not be blamed for anything. Blame rests with people, not things. And the people running those infrastructure projects, making the decisions about them were the same people that were responsible for many of the other factors that went into the conditions that we’re discussing. It’s pretty much all the same set of people—the people that had political power when these decisions were being made. So it feels weird to slice out just the infrastructure pieces out of that.
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by davidw 2y ago

Lammy 2y ago

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hirsin 2y ago
I mean, the same classes and groups instituting redlining were the ones picking where the infrastructure went. I don't think anyone is blaming the existence of infrastructure as the causative factor.
- davidw 2y ago
  This is correct. It's not like it was one group of people who did the redlining and the racist zoning and all that and then some completely separate and totally unrelated group of people thought "let's put the freeway here".
vineyardmike 2y ago
> A better question is why did those places have minority neighborhoods instead of anybody living anywhere they want? Not to be mean, but is this question intentionally obtuse? It feels like a bad faith question to ask. In America, in the relevant time periods (eg. 1950s), black neighborhoods were often targeted by infrastructure. This was before they had the protected rights to vote. This was a time where slavery, then legal segregation, and then redlining literally forced people of color into certain geographic regions. THEN infrastructure projects literally bulldozed those neighborhoods. So "why did people of color not live wherever they want, and why do we blame the bulldozers that destroyed the place they did live" is ignoring the history of so much systemic issues in America, that it feels like a bad-faith question to ask.
- Lammy 2y ago
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  - ElemenoPicuares 2y ago
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cop-out https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cop-out
aaronbrethorst 2y ago
In part because of official US government policy, commonly known as redlining. https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history...
ncallaway 2y ago
> Infrastructure projects should not be blamed for conditions they did not cause. This seems like a strange sentiment to me. Intrastructure projects should not be blamed for anything. Blame rests with people, not things. And the people running those infrastructure projects, making the decisions about them were the same people that were responsible for many of the other factors that went into the conditions that we’re discussing. It’s pretty much all the same set of people—the people that had political power when these decisions were being made. So it feels weird to slice out just the infrastructure pieces out of that.

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