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Which are half of what it used to report with no explanation. These numbers are very different from the Israeli published numbers with no explanation.

runarberg 2y ago
That is simply wrong, they gave the explaination pretty clearly: > The U.N. says Gaza's Health Ministry has been able to fully identify 24,686 deaths out of more than 35,000 people the ministry says have been killed in the Gaza Strip. > U.N. spokesperson Farhan Haq says Gaza's Health Ministry is still working to fully identify 10,000 or more deaths. Based on the identities confirmed so far, though, the U.N. now says about 52% of those killed have been women and children. > Haq, who is the deputy spokesperson for the U.N. secretary-general, was asked in a briefing Monday about media reports, one of which was shared by Israel's foreign minister, that said the U.N. had halved the number of women and children it had been saying were killed in Gaza. > "It's not quite the case," Haq said. "The overall number of fatalities that has been tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza, which is our counterpart on dealing with the death tolls, that number remains unchanged," he said, reiterating the figure stands at more than 35,000. https://www.npr.org/2024/05/15/1251265727/un-gaza-death-toll-women-children https://www.npr.org/2024/05/15/1251265727/un-gaza-death-toll... To summaries, they lowered the number because now they are only using confirmed dead and fully identified, whereas previously they included confirmed dead and not yet fully identified. So out of all the confirmed deaths, only about 70% (not half, as you claimed) has been fully identified. The UN is now using that 70% figure. If you want to get to half, you will have to include presumed but not confirmed deaths (missing, under rubble, in undiscovered mass graves, etc.) this number is believed to be another 10,000, bringing the total number of dead or presumed dead to 45,000. About 55% of confirmed or presumed deaths have been fully identified. The UN is now using that 55% figure.
- invalidname 2y ago
  > The U.N. says Gaza's Health Ministry has been able to fully identify 24,686 deaths out of more than 35,000 people the ministry says have been killed in the Gaza Strip. Then where did the false numbers come from? They just made them up. Typically, when statistics are proven wrong you go back to the numbers and then check if other numbers have been completely false. Or maybe a different source of numbers was more correct. Maybe the source for the false numbers is still lying. The problem is that people use the brand "UN" which is generally a respected brand. Unfortunately, on the ground in Gaza it means Palestinians who are often connected to the Hamas directly. That means a lot of the information that the UN broadcasts to the world as fact is corrupted by Hamas. To be clear, I'm not saying there aren't many civilian casualties. I'm not saying this is anything less than tragic. I am saying that these casualties are far lower due to a conscious effort by the IDF to reduce these numbers. I'm also saying that Hamas has made a significant effort to increase civilian casualties (especially children) e.g. by using children as couriers between their tunnels and preventing civilians from leaving siege areas (e.g. firing on refugees).
  - runarberg 2y ago
    I don’t know how I—or the UN—can make this more clearer, there are no false numbers. There is the number for confirmed and fully identified victims, which stood at 24,686 at the time of writing, and then there is the number of confirmed dead but not yet fully identified, which stands at above 10,000. It takes time to identify dead bodies, especially in an active warzone where it is not unheard of that whole families are dead, and double so when large powerful munitions are used. And as the health care system collapses, it gets harder and harder to identify quickly, so you can expect the latter number to grow.

runarberg 2y ago

That is simply wrong, they gave the explaination pretty clearly: > The U.N. says Gaza's Health Ministry has been able to fully identify 24,686 deaths out of more than 35,000 people the ministry says have been killed in the Gaza Strip. > U.N. spokesperson Farhan Haq says Gaza's Health Ministry is still working to fully identify 10,000 or more deaths. Based on the identities confirmed so far, though, the U.N. now says about 52% of those killed have been women and children. > Haq, who is the deputy spokesperson for the U.N. secretary-general, was asked in a briefing Monday about media reports, one of which was shared by Israel's foreign minister, that said the U.N. had halved the number of women and children it had been saying were killed in Gaza. > "It's not quite the case," Haq said. "The overall number of fatalities that has been tallied by the Ministry of Health in Gaza, which is our counterpart on dealing with the death tolls, that number remains unchanged," he said, reiterating the figure stands at more than 35,000. https://www.npr.org/2024/05/15/1251265727/un-gaza-death-toll-women-children https://www.npr.org/2024/05/15/1251265727/un-gaza-death-toll... To summaries, they lowered the number because now they are only using confirmed dead and fully identified, whereas previously they included confirmed dead and not yet fully identified. So out of all the confirmed deaths, only about 70% (not half, as you claimed) has been fully identified. The UN is now using that 70% figure. If you want to get to half, you will have to include presumed but not confirmed deaths (missing, under rubble, in undiscovered mass graves, etc.) this number is believed to be another 10,000, bringing the total number of dead or presumed dead to 45,000. About 55% of confirmed or presumed deaths have been fully identified. The UN is now using that 55% figure.

invalidname 2y ago
> The U.N. says Gaza's Health Ministry has been able to fully identify 24,686 deaths out of more than 35,000 people the ministry says have been killed in the Gaza Strip. Then where did the false numbers come from? They just made them up. Typically, when statistics are proven wrong you go back to the numbers and then check if other numbers have been completely false. Or maybe a different source of numbers was more correct. Maybe the source for the false numbers is still lying. The problem is that people use the brand "UN" which is generally a respected brand. Unfortunately, on the ground in Gaza it means Palestinians who are often connected to the Hamas directly. That means a lot of the information that the UN broadcasts to the world as fact is corrupted by Hamas. To be clear, I'm not saying there aren't many civilian casualties. I'm not saying this is anything less than tragic. I am saying that these casualties are far lower due to a conscious effort by the IDF to reduce these numbers. I'm also saying that Hamas has made a significant effort to increase civilian casualties (especially children) e.g. by using children as couriers between their tunnels and preventing civilians from leaving siege areas (e.g. firing on refugees).
- runarberg 2y ago
  I don’t know how I—or the UN—can make this more clearer, there are no false numbers. There is the number for confirmed and fully identified victims, which stood at 24,686 at the time of writing, and then there is the number of confirmed dead but not yet fully identified, which stands at above 10,000. It takes time to identify dead bodies, especially in an active warzone where it is not unheard of that whole families are dead, and double so when large powerful munitions are used. And as the health care system collapses, it gets harder and harder to identify quickly, so you can expect the latter number to grow.