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I wonder how many people that are really mad about these guys or SE using their professional output to train models thought commercial artists were just being

I wonder how many people that are really mad about these guys or SE using their professional output to train models thought commercial artists were just being whiny sore losers when Deviant Art, Adobe, OpenAI, Stability, et al did it to them.

Liquix 2y ago
squarely in the former camp. there's something deeply abhorrent about creating a place that encourages people to share and build and collaborate, then turning around and using their creative output to put more money in shareholder pockets. i deleted my reddit and github accounts when they decided the millions of dollars per month they're receiving from their users wasn't enough. don't have the power to move our shop off slack but rest assured many will as a result of this announcement.
- chefandy 2y ago
  Yeah I haven't put a new codebease on GH in years. It's kind of a PITA hosting my own gitea server for personal projects but letting MS copy my work to help make my professional skillset less valuable is far less palatable. Companies doing this would make me much less angry if they used an opt-in model only for future data. I didn't have a crystal ball and I don't have a time machine, so I simply can't stop these companies from using my work for their gain.
  - 8372049 2y ago
    Why do you think it's a pain to host the Gitea?
    - chefandy 2y ago
      Compared to hosting other things? Nothing! It's great. Hosting my own service rather than using a free SaaS solution that is entirely someone else's problem? There's a significant difference there. I've been running Linux servers either professionally or personally for almost 25 years, so it's not like it's a giant problem... but my work has been increasingly non-technical over the past 5 years or so, so even minor hiccups require re-acclimating myself to the requisite constructs and tools (wait, how do cron time patterns work? How do I test a variable in bash for this one-liner? How do iptables rules work again?) It's not a deal breaker, but given the context, it's definitely not not a pain in the ass, either.
      - 8372049 2y ago
        Thanks for elaborating! I'm a retired grunt and tech is just a hobby for me. I host my own Gitea with the same challenges, but to me looking up cron patterns etc. is the norm, not the exception, so I don't think much about it.

Liquix 2y ago

squarely in the former camp. there's something deeply abhorrent about creating a place that encourages people to share and build and collaborate, then turning around and using their creative output to put more money in shareholder pockets. i deleted my reddit and github accounts when they decided the millions of dollars per month they're receiving from their users wasn't enough. don't have the power to move our shop off slack but rest assured many will as a result of this announcement.

chefandy 2y ago
Yeah I haven't put a new codebease on GH in years. It's kind of a PITA hosting my own gitea server for personal projects but letting MS copy my work to help make my professional skillset less valuable is far less palatable. Companies doing this would make me much less angry if they used an opt-in model only for future data. I didn't have a crystal ball and I don't have a time machine, so I simply can't stop these companies from using my work for their gain.
- 8372049 2y ago
  Why do you think it's a pain to host the Gitea?
  - chefandy 2y ago
    Compared to hosting other things? Nothing! It's great. Hosting my own service rather than using a free SaaS solution that is entirely someone else's problem? There's a significant difference there. I've been running Linux servers either professionally or personally for almost 25 years, so it's not like it's a giant problem... but my work has been increasingly non-technical over the past 5 years or so, so even minor hiccups require re-acclimating myself to the requisite constructs and tools (wait, how do cron time patterns work? How do I test a variable in bash for this one-liner? How do iptables rules work again?) It's not a deal breaker, but given the context, it's definitely not not a pain in the ass, either.
    - 8372049 2y ago
      Thanks for elaborating! I'm a retired grunt and tech is just a hobby for me. I host my own Gitea with the same challenges, but to me looking up cron patterns etc. is the norm, not the exception, so I don't think much about it.